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Old Jul 1st 2020, 2:12 pm
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Originally Posted by mymatemarmite
What happens if you tick No on this part of the N-400? Can you say you’re a pacifist so it goes against your moral beliefs? And then tick yes for non-combant/civilian services?
What age are you? Did you register for Selective Service when you became a permanent resident?
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Originally Posted by Nutmegger
What age are you? Did you register for Selective Service when you became a permanent resident?
Depends on if OP is male or female right?

As others have mentioned - the chances of actually being called to arms in this day and age are small and things would have to be pretty bad for them to ask.... me for example. When the formalities were done, I joked that the only person likely to get killed from my aim is me.

If you're serious about becoming a citizen I would strongly recommend saying 'yes' when they run through the requirements to avoid complications/deferments.etc
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If the OP is a Brit then you should have chosen Canada Guess who you swear Alleigance to?

I swear (or affirm)
That I will be faithful
And bear true allegiance
To Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second
Queen of Canada
Her Heirs and Successors
And that I will faithfully observe
The laws of Canada
And fulfil my duties
As a Canadian citizen.
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I am in the N-400 process and I looked into this. If you say 'no', they can ask about your beliefs, etc. As long as you can present a reason why and back up your beliefs, no problem. But maybe you are just asking a hypothetical question. In fact, the whole concept is hypothetical. If it comes to it that the United States, with its very well-trained and equipped military, is relying on me who has never touched a gun in her life to save the country from the enemy then the situation is obviously very bad and I will likely have already evacuated myself back to the UK by then.
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Old Jul 1st 2020, 3:14 pm
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then the situation is obviously very bad and I will likely have already evacuated myself back to the UK by then.
If you think that the UK would not be embroiled in the same conflict then you have no idea about history.

It was even involved in the Civil War, tacitly. On the Confederate side.

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Originally Posted by steph0scope
As long as you can present a reason why and back up your beliefs, no problem.
Indeed:

https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/...rt-j-chapter-3
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Originally Posted by civilservant
It was even involved in the Civil War, tacitly. On the Confederate side.
The Guardian - or the Manchester Guardian was it was known then - sided with the Confederacy and branded Lincoln "abhorrent", calling it an "evil day" for the US and the world when he was elected.

Weird how times change.
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Old Jul 1st 2020, 3:22 pm
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Originally Posted by civilservant
If you think that the UK would not be embroiled in the same conflict then you have no idea about history.

It was even involved in the Civil War, tacitly. On the Confederate side.
Well kind of, but ultimately the embargo against cotton severely impoverished the Confederacy, even though it also hurt the milling and fabric industry in the UK too.

Anyway, I can't image a dual citizen country pairing from either the US or UK perspective that is less likely to ever cause an issue than being a UK-US dual citizen. And if you're ever in a group taken hostage by islamic militants, whether you're travelling on a US or British passport is only likely to make a difference between being killed in the first group or the second.
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Originally Posted by civilservant
To be fair, you have to agree to give up allegiance to any foreign King or Potentate too, and most of us have kept our British Citizenship.
To a tad more precise, the naturalization oath requires the renunciation. The question then becomes whether or not the other country recognizes the renunciation. As a friend once put it “I told Liz to go to hell, but it seems she thinks I’m not allowed to do that.”

If you have a US passport, take a look at page 7, item #14 on dual nationality. It has long struck me that one might be compelled to commit treason. See Kawakita v US although Kawakita did a tad more that serving as a conscript.
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Food for thought but yes it’s a hypothetical question really especially as I’m over 35 and female
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Originally Posted by mymatemarmite
Food for thought but yes it’s a hypothetical question really especially as I’m over 35 and female
I think the chances of anyone ever being conscripted into the military in future in the US is approximately zero, but yes, being 35 makes it even less likely for you .... if there is anything less than a probability of zero?

I am not sure if being female is relevant to the question, in 2020.
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Old Jul 2nd 2020, 3:44 pm
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
I think the chances of anyone ever being conscripted into the military in future in the US is approximately zero, but yes, being 35 makes it even less likely for you .... if there is anything less than a probability of zero?

I am not sure if being female is relevant to the question, in 2020.
did they change selective service now?

https://www.sss.gov/

Registration for Men 18-25


i think that’s what the OP was referring to although I think that’s separate to the initial question about bearing arms.



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did they change selective service now?

https://www.sss.gov/

Registration for Men 18-25
I think that’s what the OP was referring to although I think that’s separate to the initial question about bearing arms.

Nope, but hypothetically if they ever did (which I sincerely doubt they ever will, other than perhaps one day to "get real" and scrap it), I'd bet that they'd make it gender equal.

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Originally Posted by Pulaski
Nope, but hypothetically if they ever did (which I sincerely doubt they ever will, other than perhaps one day to "get real" and scrap it), I'd bet that they'd make it gender equal.
There would be a civil war if they did not.
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Originally Posted by Boiler
There would be a civil war if they did not.
Or if any serious argie-bargie broke out, a lot of men suddenly "identifying" as women.

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