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nofrills Apr 2nd 2017 11:44 am

Alberta vs Saskatchewan vs Manitoba
 
Hi Chaps

Would you be willing to list advantages and disadvantages of emigrating to these provinces as a long haul truck driver, please?

Lets just assume, a long haul truck driver could get a LMIA from each of these provinces and all these job offers were from the same quality trucking companies, why would it be better to take up the offer from one province over the other?

Is it still difficult to get a PR in Alberta as it used to be or have things improved?

Now, another thing.
Lets just assume a truck driver moved to Canada, worked for 6 months, and then applied for a PR, and then a serious financial crisis struck, people were losing jobs, and there not enough jobs for local, Canadian people to go round.
What would happen to a foreign truck driver in Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, providing he had applied for a PR after his 6 months of continuous employment for one of the trucking companies.

Thanks

neilg14 Apr 3rd 2017 1:39 am

Re: Alberta vs Saskatchewan vs Manitoba
 

Originally Posted by nofrills (Post 12219484)
Hi Chaps

Would you be willing to list advantages and disadvantages of emigrating to these provinces as a long haul truck driver, please?

Lets just assume, a long haul truck driver could get a LMIA from each of these provinces and all these job offers were from the same quality trucking companies, why would it be better to take up the offer from one province over the other?

Is it still difficult to get a PR in Alberta as it used to be or have things improved?

Now, another thing.
Lets just assume a truck driver moved to Canada, worked for 6 months, and then applied for a PR, and then a serious financial crisis struck, people were losing jobs, and there not enough jobs for local, Canadian people to go round.
What would happen to a foreign truck driver in Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, providing he had applied for a PR after his 6 months of continuous employment for one of the trucking companies.

Thanks

Can only answer for AB, advantages= earn more, disadvantages= pay out more.

Personally I couldn't live in SK or MB so only AB for me.

PR is more difficult to get in AB than SK or MB.

AFAIK the TFW's are the first to be let go, then you're on your way back.

nofrills Apr 3rd 2017 7:20 am

Re: Alberta vs Saskatchewan vs Manitoba
 
Hi Neil

Thanks for replying.

Why are you saying you couldn't live in SK or MB, after all for the first 2.5 - 3 years you could be living in your truck, until you gain your PR, so it doesn't really matter where you live, and you can move anywhere you want, am I right on this one?

Why is everyone saying getting PR is more difficult in Alberta, is it because it takes longer, you need to provide more documents, requirements are more stringent, or maybe there is some points system?

You said TFWs are the first to go, I've always thought, that once you have completed your 6 months working for someone, then you applied for your PR, then you are somehow protected against being thrown out of the country.

Once you apply for your PR, do you receive some kind of letter stating your application has been accepted, you have provided all necessary documents, and now it is only a matter of waiting till you get your PR.
Am I right on this one?

Thanks

jamesmc Apr 3rd 2017 5:19 pm

Re: Alberta vs Saskatchewan vs Manitoba
 
yes in MB once you get nominated by MBPNP you can get an open work permit (Kenny please join in) but you have to work for a MB based company in the same line of work .ie truckdriver (the Kenny mentioned was with H&R on a mb contract TWP but after differences and nominated by MBPNP was given a open work permit and now with a MB based company).


IN MB,SK the process of getting PR its up to you ,once you get the letter from the company after 6 months ,the company has no say ...but in AB the company has you by the nuts until you get PR ,you might be the best person in the world but if the company doesn't like you it can screw with your PR(from information from different folks).
only speak for MB ...get LMIA ,TWP .do 6months get letter put in express entry get nomination from MBPNP .send it all away again to the federal gov on EE ,medical..then a few months after medical bobs your fathers brother....send a message to " slippy"he just completed the journey

neilg14 Apr 4th 2017 12:26 pm

Re: Alberta vs Saskatchewan vs Manitoba
 

Originally Posted by nofrills (Post 12219964)
Hi Neil

Thanks for replying.

Why are you saying you couldn't live in SK or MB, after all for the first 2.5 - 3 years you could be living in your truck, until you gain your PR, so it doesn't really matter where you live, and you can move anywhere you want, am I right on this one?

Why is everyone saying getting PR is more difficult in Alberta, is it because it takes longer, you need to provide more documents, requirements are more stringent, or maybe there is some points system?

You said TFWs are the first to go, I've always thought, that once you have completed your 6 months working for someone, then you applied for your PR, then you are somehow protected against being thrown out of the country.

Once you apply for your PR, do you receive some kind of letter stating your application has been accepted, you have provided all necessary documents, and now it is only a matter of waiting till you get your PR.
Am I right on this one?

Thanks

What James said. 👍

Kiowan Apr 4th 2017 6:43 pm

Re: Alberta vs Saskatchewan vs Manitoba
 
I'd slightly change some of what's been said, if working in a province on a TWP with LMIA and you gain PNP you will be given a work permit matching the conditions of your original one until you get PR, so for someone on an LMIA that means any future work permits will be tied to the job role and the company, it's possible in exceptional circumstances people do get open work permits after PNP but not the norm.

Secondly the problem with AB is more around PNP, in Alberta the company has to file or support your application so if they don't want to there is nothing you can do about it, SK and MB it's down to you so no company can screw you over on it. However, if you lose your job after gaining nomination in any of the provinces then your PR application won't go through so they do still have you over a barrel in that regard but at least you can get the process underway. PR itself is handed on a federal level, not provincial so I'm not sure why PR would take longer in Alberta than anywhere else, it's PNP that could take longer, which you need first.

As for comparing provinces on which is best, it's all subjective, kinda depends on what YOU value and what YOU think is important. So if you had specific criteria it'd yield better answers as one man will love living in AB and the other will love MB. Bear in mind that the system is designed to fill local labour shortages so while you can move as soon as you have PR technically you should really go to the province you want to be in as you are going to be there for several years anyway so why uproot again just because one province had a slightly faster system.

If you hate pot holes don't move to Winnipeg.

nofrills Apr 9th 2017 3:02 pm

Re: Alberta vs Saskatchewan vs Manitoba
 
Sorry Chaps, I couldn't reply earlier as was unexpectedly nighting out and could not reply with my small smartphone

Interesting post there Kiowan

"I'd slightly change some of what's been said, if working in a province on a TWP with LMIA and you gain PNP you will be given a work permit matching the conditions of your original one until you get PR, so for someone on an LMIA that means any future work permits will be tied to the job role and the company, it's possible in exceptional circumstances people do get open work permits after PNP but not the norm."

so, if I understood this correctly, even if I was to get a job offer from a company in MB or SK, I would still be tied to that company, until I got my PR.
I read in the past that if things went wrong with the company that got you LMIA and brought you to MB or SK to work for them, you could change your employer, providing you were still going work as a long haul truck driver in that province.
Maybe it was after you applied for your PR and got accepted onto the program, after completing 6 months with the employer that brought you there.

Am I right on this?

"Secondly the problem with AB is more around PNP, in Alberta the company has to file or support your application so if they don't want to there is nothing you can do about it, SK and MB it's down to you so no company can screw you over on it. However, if you lose your job after gaining nomination in any of the provinces then your PR application won't go through so they do still have you over a barrel in that regard but at least you can get the process underway. PR itself is handed on a federal level, not provincial so I'm not sure why PR would take longer in Alberta than anywhere else, it's PNP that could take longer, which you need first. "

so, the only difference between AB, SK and MB is that in AB it is down to your employer to file an application for your PR, and in SK and MB you, the driver, do it by yourself, am I right?

I've always thought the main advantage of going to MB and SK over AB was that you could change your employer if things were different to what you were promised before you came there and that in case of SK and MB you the driver was applying for your PR, and in AB it was your employer.

I've recently heard it takes about 8 - 9 months in AB, to get accepted onto a PR process from the time you apply for it after your 6 months working for a given employer.

Is this the case? and how long it takes to be accepted in SK and MB?

Thanks

Kiowan Apr 10th 2017 4:15 am

Re: Alberta vs Saskatchewan vs Manitoba
 
No, you cannot just change your employer anywhere in Canada without an open work permit and/or PR. In MB and SK when you come over you will be coming to fill a job opening with a company that has proven to the government by jumping through multiple hoops that it can't employ a Canadian to the job. So to put that as an example, it could be Jimbo's wild potato hauling in the northern wilderness of Manitoba, he's proven to the government there's no one around to do it and there's you from the UK chomping at the bit to come over and do the job. You cannot come over, do it for 6months, apply for the PNP, get nominated by PNP and then hand in your notice to Jimbo, move to Winnipeg and take a job with Fedex or whoever you want because you are still only there on a temporary work permit and for the specific reason of filling an identified labour shortage, it's not a province wide industry shortage allowing you to work for anyone.

I can only comment on how long it took me to get Manitoba PNP nomination from application and it was about 6 or 7 months. Once you have nomination you can apply to the Federal government (CIC) for PR. Don't get the two confused. PNP is a provincial process with the provincial government and that's what differs from AB to SK/MB. PR is what comes after gaining PNP nomination and that is entirely down to you regardless of where you live and administered by a centralised nation process, current estimates on PR process are 16 months.

nofrills Apr 10th 2017 10:06 am

Re: Alberta vs Saskatchewan vs Manitoba
 
A very informative post again Kiowan

I might be a bit thick , but would need to ask you a couple of questions about your last reply, to make sure I understood them correctly.

So, those that get job offers from SK or MB employers , in trucking, based on LMIA, do not get open work permits, but some type of closed ones, attached to only one employer, and if things go wrong, they need to leave the country,am I right?

If they do leave the country because the employer didn't keep his promisses, what are the options for such a driver if he wants to try again, in the same province or an other one?

How about if you were in MB or SK, you were treated badly as it is often the case with many companies importing labour from overseas, you found another, better company that was willing to get LMIA for you and you wanted to switch, what are your options then?
I'm pretty sure every driver coming over, wants to do his job, stay with one employer, until the end of the process, but as you know promisses are not being kept, drivers don't get enough miles to support themselves and their families, don't get much home time, are treated badly,etc, so sometimes there are no other options but cut your loses and move somewhere else.

I didn't quite get this bit " Don't get the two confused. PNP is a provincial process with the provincial government and that's what differs from AB to SK/MB."
What did you mean by that, what differs AB from SK/MB?
Sorry, couldn't quite understand this one.

One more thing.

So, after gaining nomination for PNP with AB, SK or MB, you can apply for PR with the Canadian government, not provincial government, am I right?
Do you also need to wait for some time before you get accepted onto the PR process as it is the case with waiting to be accepted on PNP with province you are working in, that issued your LMIA?

Thanks

nofrills Apr 10th 2017 10:09 am

Re: Alberta vs Saskatchewan vs Manitoba
 
If there are some things that you would not want post on the main board, feel free to send me a private message.

Thanks

christmasoompa Apr 10th 2017 11:08 am

Re: Alberta vs Saskatchewan vs Manitoba
 

Originally Posted by nofrills (Post 12225569)
So, those that get job offers from SK or MB employers , in trucking, based on LMIA, do not get open work permits, but some type of closed ones, attached to only one employer, and if things go wrong, they need to leave the country,am I right?

Sort of. Yes, it's a work permit tied to the employer, but you don't have to leave the country. If you lost your job, you can still stay until the end date on the work permit, you just can't work for anybody else. So essentially you'd be on visitor status until it expires unless you can find a new sponsoring employer/work permit.


Originally Posted by nofrills (Post 12225569)
If they do leave the country because the employer didn't keep his promisses, what are the options for such a driver if he wants to try again, in the same province or an other one?

Exactly the same as before, i.e. find a new job offer/sponsoring employer and try again.


Originally Posted by nofrills (Post 12225569)
How about if you were in MB or SK, you were treated badly as it is often the case with many companies importing labour from overseas, you found another, better company that was willing to get LMIA for you and you wanted to switch, what are your options then?

You can do that if you wish, you can work for anybody but would just need a new work permit to do so.


Originally Posted by nofrills (Post 12225569)
So, after gaining nomination for PNP with AB, SK or MB, you can apply for PR with the Canadian government, not provincial government, am I right?
Do you also need to wait for some time before you get accepted onto the PR process as it is the case with waiting to be accepted on PNP with province you are working in, that issued your LMIA?

PNP is a 2 stage process. Firstly, you get your nomination, which is from the provincial government, and then once you've got that, you apply under the Federal system for PR. So the two are linked, and you don't need to wait anytime after nomination to apply for PR (in fact, your nomination is only valid for 6 months, so you have to apply for PR before then, or it expires).

HTH.

jamesmc Apr 10th 2017 4:34 pm

Re: Alberta vs Saskatchewan vs Manitoba
 
as I said before he worked for a MB based company 2yr TWP ..he applied for MBPNP through EE .during the timeframe he had a family emergency back in the uk so with the companies permission he went back to sort it out (told them he was coming back) .he then received a message from MBPNP saying that upon checking his company had informed them that he had left the country and their employment( company tells him/them they filled his "space" with another newbie.). MBPNP tells him that he has mb nomination and told him when he comes back he can apply for an open TWP due to him holding an nomination letter from MB ( job has to be for a MB based company in the same work as before) he arrived back and received his 1 yr open TWP at the airport .

nofrills Apr 10th 2017 6:17 pm

Re: Alberta vs Saskatchewan vs Manitoba
 
@Christmasoompa
Thank you for clarifying that for me.


@James

Thanks James for posting.

Interesting story.
So, it seems MB provincial government is not as strict when it comes to issuing work permits then.
When you said in your first post that "in MB once you get nominated by MBPNP you can get an open work permit, but you have to work for an MB based company in the same line of work, I'd try k driver", did you mean any truck driver or it has to be a long haul truck driver?

Thanks

jamesmc Apr 10th 2017 10:20 pm

Re: Alberta vs Saskatchewan vs Manitoba
 
now iirc MBPNP were NOT happy at all with his first company and what they did, and as he was "lodging" at my place when on home time I was kept in the loop so to speak.. when he received his open twp he went round a few companies one was mon-frid back for weekend at home crossing into northern USA ,,,another was interprovincial, a few didn't want anything to do with him till PR ,but he went can -usa by choice. I believe all of us have had to do the distance work when we arrived (or drive for a company that runs usa) subtle difference:cool:. IWS MB is as strict as them all but has subtle diffences in its PNP scheme. I have told my friend about this post and he will join in when on home time .

christmasoompa Apr 10th 2017 10:53 pm

Re: Alberta vs Saskatchewan vs Manitoba
 

Originally Posted by jamesmc (Post 12225928)
as I said before he worked for a MB based company 2yr TWP ..he applied for MBPNP through EE .during the timeframe he had a family emergency back in the uk so with the companies permission he went back to sort it out (told them he was coming back) .he then received a message from MBPNP saying that upon checking his company had informed them that he had left the country and their employment( company tells him/them they filled his "space" with another newbie.). MBPNP tells him that he has mb nomination and told him when he comes back he can apply for an open TWP due to him holding an nomination letter from MB ( job has to be for a MB based company in the same work as before) he arrived back and received his 1 yr open TWP at the airport .

How long ago was this though? Given how often things change in immigration and how things have tightened up considerably in the past couple of years, if it wasn't recent then I'm not sure it's terribly relevant to the OP tbh.

jamesmc Apr 10th 2017 11:45 pm

Re: Alberta vs Saskatchewan vs Manitoba
 
last year ,he not long ago posted about receiving his PR this year.

nofrills Apr 11th 2017 6:26 am

Re: Alberta vs Saskatchewan vs Manitoba
 
In my last post that should have been "ie. truck driver" instead of "I'd try k driver". My tablet's auto correct playing tricks again.

Don't get me wrong, I would happily be doing long haul for as long as I would be required by the terms of my employment contract and terms of my TWP and PNP, it would actualy be fun to see Canada and the US, but it would be nice to have an option that if I git tired of it all I could just switch to other types if trucking jobs, that's why when you, James, said your mate got an open work permit from MB to work as a truck driver, and not limited to working as long haul truck driver, that got me interested.

What I want to avoid is all these horror stories you read on here, about truck drivers moving to Canada and being mistreated by modern day slave owners, because they think you have no options for 3 - 4 years but to stick with them and let them use you and abuse you anyway they want.

jamesmc Apr 12th 2017 2:39 am

Re: Alberta vs Saskatchewan vs Manitoba
 
yup first run was to LA (was team) down to texas and back then ..out west over the COQ then onto the island then down and back .Saw what I wanted to down south mainly centre then west and north Canada for the rest o my time (had a 2yr TWP) and I gave them 30months before changing jobs. Spoke to my mate who got the open permit tonight and he will join in asap. I was lucky I had a good company BUT I know o folk that were royally screwed by companies so do your homework if you have always ran van in the uk I would suggest not going flatdecking...same your experience d in flats don't go fridge work ..what I mean is "its hard enough to move over with all that brings without doing something you know F all about" don't fight to do things your way DO it the Canadian way ,,,,,I think we all tried it our way BUT as I was told "youre not in Kansas any more james".

nofrills Apr 12th 2017 10:10 am

Re: Alberta vs Saskatchewan vs Manitoba
 
That's it, James, I'm not going to be rushing into it, I'll be taking my time doing as much research as I possibly can, so I don't become another victim.
The whole system is poorly constructed, it would have been much better if provinces in need of long haul truck drivers were issuing TWPs to drivers from overseas meeting set criterias, and then every driver who got such TWP would have, say, a month or a couple of months to come over, find himself an employer and do his time till he got his PR, and also would have an option of changing employer if things went wrong.
This way they would be rewarding good companies, offering best conditions, treating drivers like human beings instead of allowing these bottom feeders to do what they want for 3 - 4 years as it is now.

Kiowan Apr 13th 2017 6:09 am

Re: Alberta vs Saskatchewan vs Manitoba
 
Nofrills,

The story about the open work permit is a one off, it's an exception, he says the MPNP were unhappy with the situation so there is nothing stopping them bending the rules in an exceptional case and I have heard of other unusual stories including one guy who got PR before he even came to Canada. Do not base things on exceptions, Base them on how things are supposed to operate and how they operate for 99% of people.

It's been said, you will get a closed work permit for one company, if it goes south then you have to find another company capable of getting an lmia for you, you cannot just walk into another company.

As for the long haul trucker category, my permit is for truck driver, it doesn't specify long haul, most provinces do and you have to cross international or provincial boundaries regularly to qualify, I think MB doesn't specify it. Companies won't be getting lmias to employ someone as a regional driver though so you're initial job will be long haul.

The way it is as the moment you'll be lucky to find more than 2 companies who can get you an lmia anyway so your choices are barely choices anyway.

Mule deer Apr 28th 2017 1:06 pm

Re: Alberta vs Saskatchewan vs Manitoba
 
did you make the trip out

nofrills Apr 29th 2017 1:26 pm

Re: Alberta vs Saskatchewan vs Manitoba
 
Thanks people, for replying

I've been thinking about it all, and still have a few questions, this time to people that are familiar with the system in Alberta.

Can I, truck driver in Alberta, collect all the documents by myself and apply by myself to PNP, and then for PR, or does the company that got me my LMIA and employs me, need to do it all?

What I’m trying to say here, is that it is in the interest of the company to keep delaying applying to PNP and messing with me, blaming lengthy procedures and all that, as the longer it all takes, the longer I will have to stay with them, and they know that as soon as I get my PR, I will be gone.
The company thinks, the driver is gone for weeks, or months, he is too stupid, doesn't know the system, so he can be told anything when he keeps questioning why it all takes so long, or as a punishment we'll keep him waiting for days in a truck stop in the middle of nowhere if he starts asking too many questions.

What documents do I need to get from the employer in order to apply to PNP and then PR if I was allowed to do it by myself?

How do you get onto APNP express entry, and can a truck driver be considered?

Thanks

Mule deer Apr 29th 2017 2:12 pm

Re: Alberta vs Saskatchewan vs Manitoba
 
[QUOTE=Kiowan;12228186]Nofrills,

The story about the open work permit is a one off, it's an exception, he says the MPNP were unhappy with the situation so there is nothing stopping them bending the rules in an exceptional case and I have heard of other unusual stories including one guy who got PR before he even came to Canada. Do not base things on exceptions, Base them on how things are supposed to operate and how they operate for 99% of people.

It's been said, you will get a closed work permit for one company, if it goes south then you have to find another company capable of getting an lmia for you, you cannot just walk into another company.

As for the long haul trucker category, my permit is for truck driver, it doesn't specify long haul, most provinces do and you have to cross international or provincial boundaries regularly to qualify, I think MB doesn't specify it. Companies won't be getting lmias to employ someone as a regional driver though so you're initial job will be long haul.

The way it is as the moment you'll be lucky to find more than 2 companies who can get you an lmia anyway so your choices are barely choices anyway.[/QUOTE

This might change in the near future once the oil industry picks up now trump is in charge in the USA they need cheap oil and Canada has lots in Northern Alberta which can be piped to the USA Texas and west coast trucking companies will be back recruiting again

neilg14 Apr 29th 2017 8:56 pm

Re: Alberta vs Saskatchewan vs Manitoba
 

Originally Posted by nofrills (Post 12241050)
Thanks people, for replying

I've been thinking about it all, and still have a few questions, this time to people that are familiar with the system in Alberta.

Can I, truck driver in Alberta, collect all the documents by myself and apply by myself to PNP, and then for PR, or does the company that got me my LMIA and employs me, need to do it all?

What I’m trying to say here, is that it is in the interest of the company to keep delaying applying to PNP and messing with me, blaming lengthy procedures and all that, as the longer it all takes, the longer I will have to stay with them, and they know that as soon as I get my PR, I will be gone.
The company thinks, the driver is gone for weeks, or months, he is too stupid, doesn't know the system, so he can be told anything when he keeps questioning why it all takes so long, or as a punishment we'll keep him waiting for days in a truck stop in the middle of nowhere if he starts asking too many questions.

What documents do I need to get from the employer in order to apply to PNP and then PR if I was allowed to do it by myself?

How do you get onto APNP express entry, and can a truck driver be considered?

Thanks

Yep, you're sponsored by Employer, or not depending if they like you or not.
And, iirc, if you change company for any reason after your PR paperwork is in, it gets cancelled and you have to start fresh again.
Forget AB for now & I haven't heard or been told or read of any companies in AB with LMIA's for about 18mths.

nofrills May 1st 2017 11:48 am

Re: Alberta vs Saskatchewan vs Manitoba
 
Yes, it looks like Alberta might not be the best choice, then.
Some long haul trucking companies, or actually most of them offer dental, health benefits.
What are these all about?
I thought health care is same as in the UK, free, so why would they be mentioning additional health benefits?
Do you get paid when you get sick and need to take time off?

jamesmc May 1st 2017 4:19 pm

Re: Alberta vs Saskatchewan vs Manitoba
 
hell no. With ,no health benefits ,you pay for prescriptions full price same as dentists $800 for 2 fillings plus the chemists charge $8 (mb) for issuing prescriptions an ambulance is $100. A lot off trucking companies health plans are 80% (you pay 20% ) you claim back at tax time for medical costs but you never get the full amount back. also you will pay a copay off your wages say $75 each pay towards your health plan. The readymix company I was with was $0 copay and 100% coverage (apart from getting teeth cleaned at dentists).
eye glasses are usually $200 every 2year towards replacement ,,getting your eyes tested it costs you. NOW long haul companies that run into the states imo you must check you are covered from the word go in the USA ,, most companies say full coverage after 90days. Sick pay lol,,(truckdriving) BUT if you injure yourself at work WCB ,(workers compensation board) will pay you90% of average wage + all medical expenses. A lot of trucking companies (local) will have no health plan.

jamesmc May 1st 2017 4:28 pm

Re: Alberta vs Saskatchewan vs Manitoba
 
kids are treated a little different,. Say you have a condition that needs a treatment that costs $1000s the province and in my case the makers company make it possible for me to afford it (pharmacare) in my case when my top line is taken into account . going to a doctor is free ,same as going to a hospital emergency room. kept in hospital etc. .. this is my experience in MB others may vary.

nofrills May 2nd 2017 9:34 am

Re: Alberta vs Saskatchewan vs Manitoba
 
Blimey, I had never thought about it much before, always assumed it was the same as in Blighty.
So, trucking companies usualy cover 80% of you health care and you the rest.
So, if say, you get cancer and operation and chemo, expensive aftercare, your health insurance pays 80% of the cost and you, yourself 20%.
So, what's the diffrence between Canadian and US health care, as they both look to me the same?
Are there any trucking companies that pay, or should I say, their health insurance pay 100% of all costs, when you become ill?
That 75 dollars payment, is it per week or per month?
Thanks

jamesmc May 2nd 2017 9:38 pm

Re: Alberta vs Saskatchewan vs Manitoba
 
in canada healthcare is free for everyone ,but you pay for dental ,glasses ,prescriptions (that's what you pay a healthplan for at work to cover this)...In the usa you pay for the lot. that is why its important to make sure you are covered by a plan before leaving Canada. No the 80/20 is to pay for dental etc . Most companies OTR pay fortnightly apart from a couple I can think of.and yes the $75 is per pay (this is what I used to pay some might be more some less). EG I have a medical problem that costs 1-2$K a month and the province and the drug maker pay this as I am not earning enough(based on previous years taxes) any presciptions involved in the problem are covered ......BUT if I need glasses ,dentist etc I'm on the line for this. I was on a 100% plan at last job before they sold the artics and I went with my truck and my company now pays a 1$ more per hr but I have no plan for dental etc. This is my look on things there are many more learned people on this forum and I hope they will point out anything I have wrong. jimmy.

nofrills May 3rd 2017 12:00 pm

Re: Alberta vs Saskatchewan vs Manitoba
 
Thanks for clarifying that James.
So, basically, you are fully covered health wise by the government except eye glasses and a dentist, and that's what that 80/20 health cover is for.
If you need to pay $75 per fortnight, multiplied by 2, that gives you roughly $150 per month towards your healthcare and and the company pays remaining 80%, that means they have to pay $600 per m0nth for your health cover, and that's only for your eye glasses and dental care.
So, $150 x 12 = $1800 driver pays on yearly basis
$600 x 12 = $7200 company pays.

Sounds a little expensive only for eye glasses and dental care on yearly basis,
I suspect you only get about 20 - 30% back from your taxes at the end of the financial year.

Sounds like it's not a good idea to be getting health problems in Canada, as you don't get paid when off sick.

christmasoompa May 3rd 2017 1:07 pm

Re: Alberta vs Saskatchewan vs Manitoba
 

Originally Posted by nofrills (Post 12243510)
So, basically, you are fully covered health wise by the government except eye glasses and a dentist, and that's what that 80/20 health cover is for.

And prescriptions, which aren't subsidised like they are with the NHS, and ambulances etc. Best thing to do if you have further questions about how healthcare works in Canada is to ask in the main Canada forums where you'll get loads of good advice, but essentially it's half way between the UK (everything provided by NHS) and the US (insurance essential for everything).

The Wiki is well worth reading too, for example if you were looking at AB, this article may be useful - Health Care-Alberta : British Expat Wiki

HTH.

nofrills May 4th 2017 8:21 am

Re: Alberta vs Saskatchewan vs Manitoba
 
Thank you Christmsoompa for explaining that and for the link.
Interesting reading.
Yes, I need to visit the main forum if I need some non trucking questions answered.
It's good to know you don't need to pay for a major surgery if you need one, as apparently 1 in 2 of us will develop a cancer at some stage of our lives according to the latest research, so it's good to know you won"t have to sell your house and live in a tent to finance it.


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