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Old Jan 22nd 2017, 9:23 am
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Yeah things have changed a bit since 1974. I had moved back to the UK from Canada in 1973 and returned to a country plagued by labour strife., crippling strikes and an economic state that had earned the UK the name "the sick man of Europe" Luckily for me my brother a US citizen sponsored my application for permanent US residence a year later.
It was around the time I left that Britain became a member of the Common Market, EEC or whatever the EU was then known as. The popular feeling was that by joining Europe Britain would benefit greatly from it.

Forty two years later a bunch of misguided old dolts led by Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson managed to win the vote to get Britain out. What now if Brexit in the next few years proves to be a complete disaster for Britain...an application for US territory status ?
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Old Jan 22nd 2017, 1:00 pm
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Last I heard, anyone asking for entry who isn't a US citizen has the burden on them to prove they'll be good to enter.

And after all this, the CBP agent has final authority, given the VWP waivers the right to appear before a judge.

I'm sure there was some protest in Canada held. I'd rather then spend Canadian policing budget than DC's.
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30!
You're right - 1988, so nearly 30 years. Not sure if I can get away with blaming a typo on that one, but it's better than admitting my maths was shocking.
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.... A UK national whose residence is still the UK obviously needs a visa to enter the US. That's the way it's always been.
Your grasp on life and the ways of the world in the 21st century is even worse than I had feared!

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Old Jan 22nd 2017, 2:28 pm
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The lower paid have already started to suffer. Hopefully decline in first time buyers will cause another housing crash.

Trump suspends mortgage rule designed to help first-time homebuyers

http://www.curbed.com/2017/1/20/1433...nce-homeowners
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The lower paid have already started to suffer. Hopefully decline in first time buyers will cause another housing crash.

Trump suspends mortgage rule designed to help first-time homebuyers. .....
The insurance premiums fund the fund the reserves for the insurance fund and cutting the premiums, by a tiny percentage, threatened the solvency of the insurance funds - the reserves are required to be a minimum of 2% and are only currently only about 2.3.

To cut the premium was (i) financially reckless and (ii) given the timing, was a blatantly political maneuver by President Obama in the dying days of his presidency.

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Old Jan 22nd 2017, 3:58 pm
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Your grasp on life and the ways of the world in the 21st century is even worse than I had feared!
I became a US citizen in 1983. All travel outside the US since then has been with a US passport. Why should I have bothered to give a crap about or even know about changing rules, regulations and requirements relating to visitors traveling to and from the US and Europe ?

Obviously my ignorance on such matters has been displayed and I should have kept my gob shut but again I don't give a crap
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I became a US citizen in 1983. All travel outside the US since then has been with a US passport. Why should I have bothered to give a crap about or even know about changing rules, regulations and requirements relating to visitors traveling to and from the US and Europe ?

Obviously my ignorance on such matters has been displayed and I should have kept my gob shut but again I don't give a crap
What did you think that this Visa Waiver Program that is discussed day in day out on this forum was all about?
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People at times seem to think they have the right to enter another country and forget it's a privelage and the officers both US and Canadian side have power to deny entry.

I dislike Trump but I can see why CBP wouldn't been keen on allowing protestors to cross and there were protests in city's in Canada.

When Canadians who were denied entry or detained at the border when entering when it was known their only reason for entering the US was to protest, the Minister of Public Safety issued a statement over it.

When entering another country, including Canada, it has always been the case that goods accompanying a traveler may be searched to verify admissibility,” Scott Bardsley, the minister’s press secretary, said in an emailed statement.

“Every country is sovereign and able to make its own rules to admit people and goods to manage its immigration framework, health and safety,” he added.



Originally Posted by tom169
Last I heard, anyone asking for entry who isn't a US citizen has the burden on them to prove they'll be good to enter.

And after all this, the CBP agent has final authority, given the VWP waivers the right to appear before a judge.

I'm sure there was some protest in Canada held. I'd rather then spend Canadian policing budget than DC's.

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Old Jan 22nd 2017, 8:25 pm
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Canadians, Brits and people across the globe would be better served worrying about their own individual problems. Those here who claim Trump isn't "legitimate" obviously haven't a clue how democracy works and have no respect for the constitution or the electoral process.

I found it ironic that protestors took to the streets in Australia a country whose elected government sticks asylum seekers in a camp on some offshore island.
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what was ironic was that one of the people turned away was a dual canadian/us citizen who was not carrying his us passport at the time... even worse!
another guy was a canadian physics student at mcgill ..
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what was ironic was that one of the people turned away was a dual canadian/us citizen who was not carrying his us passport at the time... even worse!
another guy was a canadian physics student at mcgill ..
Pretty sure it's illegal for a US citizen to enter not using their US passport.
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Should have brought and used his US Passport then.

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what was ironic was that one of the people turned away was a dual canadian/us citizen who was not carrying his us passport at the time... even worse!
another guy was a canadian physics student at mcgill ..
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Pretty sure it's illegal for a US citizen to enter not using their US passport.
yes i believe that to be the case, he should have had it to present at the border.. in which case there would be no way he could be denied entry.... right?
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Old Jan 22nd 2017, 9:48 pm
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Originally Posted by silvermine
yes i believe that to be the case, he should have had it to present at the border.. in which case there would be no way he could be denied entry.... right?
Correct.
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