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Old Nov 8th 2020, 1:54 am
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This seems to be a carbon copy of that famous South African runner who had prosthetic legs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Pistorius
5 years homicide, appealed by prosecution to 13 years for murder it seems ...
My missus reckons it sounds dodgy too. All I could think is WTF is the dog doing in the bed.
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My missus reckons it sounds dodgy too. All I could think is WTF is the dog doing in the bed.

Our dog sleeps in the bed but she is only 10 pounds and no way could be confused for a human.

Plus dogs usually bark if they detect something odd in their home, our dog knows the difference between us and our usual noise vs a strange noise, hell just opening a window or door would set our dog off barking, so I doubt anyone would ever get into the apartment, and would need a ladder to get in since we are not ground floor.

First thought to me would be, hmmm noise + dog doesn't care = very likely someone the dog knows.
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Our dog sleeps in the bed but she is only 10 pounds and no way could be confused for a human.

Plus dogs usually bark if they detect something odd in their home, our dog knows the difference between us and our usual noise vs a strange noise, hell just opening a window or door would set our dog off barking, so I doubt anyone would ever get into the apartment, and would need a ladder to get in since we are not ground floor.

First thought to me would be, hmmm noise + dog doesn't care = very likely someone the dog knows.
General point, anyone whose first thought in a domestic situation (i.e. not a foxhole in Afghanistan or similar,) is, “I’m not sure who that is so I’ll shoot them with my handy, loaded gun,” is a batshit crazy, stupid, bloody idiot. I believe there are many millions of such people in the US.
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General point, anyone whose first thought in a domestic situation (i.e. not a foxhole in Afghanistan or similar,) is, “I’m not sure who that is so I’ll shoot them with my handy, loaded gun,” is a batshit crazy, stupid, bloody idiot. I believe there are many millions of such people in the US.
At least 70 million as that is how many have voted for Trump so far
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Old Nov 8th 2020, 1:09 pm
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Originally Posted by robin1234
General point, anyone whose first thought in a domestic situation (i.e. not a foxhole in Afghanistan or similar,) is, “I’m not sure who that is so I’ll shoot them with my handy, loaded gun,” is a batshit crazy, stupid, bloody idiot. I believe there are many millions of such people in the US.
Statistics from November 3rd back up your belief.

Edit: Beaten to it.

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Originally Posted by robin1234
General point, anyone whose first thought in a domestic situation (i.e. not a foxhole in Afghanistan or similar,) is, “I’m not sure who that is so I’ll shoot them with my handy, loaded gun,” is a batshit crazy, stupid, bloody idiot. I believe there are many millions of such people in the US.
Half my bloody street. Apparently when there was a protest for the rights of black people to not be killed within 50 miles of our town, one of our neighbors delighted in telling my wife that there were so many fun owners in the neighborhood we'd be totally safe. Like, that makes me feel the opposite of safe but whatever.

If you're not using your gun to seize the means of production by force, then you might as well just sell it
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My missus reckons it sounds dodgy too. All I could think is WTF is the dog doing in the bed.

My dogs and cats sleep on the bed. One cat is 28 lbs and I've had dogs such as malamutes.
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My dogs and cats sleep on the bed. One cat is 28 lbs and I've had dogs such as malamutes.
Much as I love my dog(s) there is no way that something that likes nothing better than to shove it's nose in it's arse and then try to lick my face is going to be given that opportunity when I'm trying to catch some shut eye.
Cats are no go around me, my skin is like seasoned leather but the merest hint of cat hair and I need to scratch it off.
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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing
Half my bloody street. Apparently when there was a protest for the rights of black people to not be killed within 50 miles of our town, one of our neighbors delighted in telling my wife that there were so many fun owners in the neighborhood we'd be totally safe. Like, that makes me feel the opposite of safe but whatever.

If you're not using your gun to seize the means of production by force, then you might as well just sell it
Come on. That has to be a Freudian typo. Admit it, Sultan, this socialism thing is all a front for you - what you really want is to get out there and have fun with your neighbours and their fun firearms....
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what you really want is to get out there and have fun with your neighbours and their fun firearms....
Down at the fun range...
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Come on. That has to be a Freudian typo. Admit it, Sultan, this socialism thing is all a front for you - what you really want is to get out there and have fun with your neighbours and their fun firearms....
Oh crap I never noticed that one. Still getting used to posting on the phone.

I'm not a fan a guns myself, needless to say. I fully understand Marx's reasoning, but I don't like the idea that any wanker off the street can wander in and buy an instrument of death like it's a new washing machine.
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Oh crap I never noticed that one. Still getting used to posting on the phone.

I'm not a fan a guns myself, needless to say. I fully understand Marx's reasoning, but I don't like the idea that any wanker off the street can wander in and buy an instrument of death like it's a new washing machine.
I would find it a hard to decide on whether to own a gun or not (were I to live in the USA). When so many people have them, and so many crazies are about, there would be an incentive to buy one. On the other hand, the stats indicate that one is far morely likely to be shot as a gun owner. Tough call.
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Originally Posted by Jsmth321
I wonder how many handguns people have for "protection" end up killing friends and family compared to how many are used in actual protection against a violent intruder.

Anytime I have heard noises in the middle of the night, I have never automatically thought intruder must jump up and fight.
I was awoken a couple of nights ago by a noise downstairs. I got up and looked around, found nothing and went back to sleep. Turned out a strong gust of wind had most likely blown through the vent in the garage door and knocked/smashed a plastic container. So, yeh, this gun stuff and the attitudes that seem to go with it strike me as almost totally counterproductive.

My (public) school had a CCF when I was there. I didn't join. I did fire a gun there at their firing range and missed the target every time. Almost certainly the first and last time I'll fire a gun.

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One night someone was trying to break into the house I lived in, and I didn't even think of grabbing the 9mm from under the pillow; I went after him with a bat. Sold my handguns shortly after.
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Originally Posted by Shard
I would find it a hard to decide on whether to own a gun or not (were I to live in the USA). When so many people have them, and so many crazies are about, there would be an incentive to buy one. On the other hand, the stats indicate that one is far morely likely to be shot as a gun owner. Tough call.
We have found it a very tough call. The data seems to point to arms being more likely to lead to our harm than to avoid harm. That combined with thinking about the balance of useability and access with safe storage leaves us without guns at the moment.
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