WTF in America
Jul 4th 2018, 1:48 pm
#7171
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Re: WTF in America
I will be celebrating on the 24th August as usual.
Jul 5th 2018, 1:57 am
#7172
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Re: WTF in America
Lots of countries have a National Day/Holiday, usually to celebrate their founding or marking a historically significant moment. Can't see why anyone would have a problem with it.
Are you really saying you didn't know what 4th July was about till you got to the States? That's very unusual.
Are you really saying you didn't know what 4th July was about till you got to the States? That's very unusual.
I do not have a problem with as you prompted, i have an interest to find out opinions.
Jul 5th 2018, 2:32 am
#7173
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Re: WTF in America
Sounds like you don't believe in learning outside of school. You have obviously never been in Wales on St David's Day or come across St Patrick's Day or wondered why the French make such an occasion of the 14th of July. Just because the English don't really celebrate their own national day, doesn't mean that other countries can't do so on theirs.
Jul 5th 2018, 2:53 am
#7174
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Re: WTF in America
Sweet baby Jesus. Read the Declaration of Independence, and the Bill of Rights, and the Federalist papers.
It was many things; throwing off the yoke of tyranny of the British, taxation without representation, and the - then - unheard of notion that all men are created equal.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
It was many things; throwing off the yoke of tyranny of the British, taxation without representation, and the - then - unheard of notion that all men are created equal.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
I have travelled a lot of countries over 25 in fact and noted that countries without democracy and good taxation tend to be almost 3rd world with poor infrastructure and dirty city's, problems with a poor population. it has given me a perspective that tax conntributes to control infrastructure and does more good than harm.
All men are created equal , thats what they wanted you to hear / refer to other posters comment / slavery.
it seems like those with money and weapons controlled those without and thats how life was.
was the civil war about tax or slavery?.
Jul 5th 2018, 3:10 am
#7175
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Re: WTF in America
Sounds like you don't believe in learning outside of school. You have obviously never been in Wales on St David's Day or come across St Patrick's Day or wondered why the French make such an occasion of the 14th of July. Just because the English don't really celebrate their own national day, doesn't mean that other countries can't do so on theirs.
No i did not learn history outside of school i always preffered physics and math, history and politics never made any sense to me i studied other things outside of school (things with formulas). the question was if the reason for becoming an independent of 'rule' country was for a reason of taxation it seems to me like they get taxed more, could you try to keep on topic?
the other poster noted that it was for a number of reasons other than unrepresented taxation so i am learning.
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Jul 5th 2018, 3:59 am
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Re: WTF in America
The Royal Navy was stopping American shipping and press-ganging sailors; that was another reason. The dramatic impact of throwing tea in Boston harbour may have something to do with taxation being better known.
Jul 5th 2018, 7:43 am
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Re: WTF in America
In addition to that, the British sunk the USS Maine in Havana Harbour.
Jul 5th 2018, 1:52 pm
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Re: WTF in America
USS Maine blew up and sank more than 120 years after independence, three decades after the civil war, and was seen by some as a trigger for the escalation of hostilities in the Spanish-American war of 1898, even though most now agree the ship's demise was caused by a fire on board rather than by a Spanish mine. The Brits were not involved, on this occasion.
Jul 5th 2018, 2:16 pm
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Re: WTF in America
Wait.. what? Are you trolling, Robin?
USS Maine blew up and sank more than 120 years after independence, three decades after the civil war, and was seen by some as a trigger for the escalation of hostilities in the Spanish-American war of 1898, even though most now agree the ship's demise was caused by a fire on board rather than by a Spanish mine. The Brits were not involved, on this occasion.
USS Maine blew up and sank more than 120 years after independence, three decades after the civil war, and was seen by some as a trigger for the escalation of hostilities in the Spanish-American war of 1898, even though most now agree the ship's demise was caused by a fire on board rather than by a Spanish mine. The Brits were not involved, on this occasion.
Jul 5th 2018, 4:50 pm
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Re: WTF in America
Wait.. what? Are you trolling, Robin?
USS Maine blew up and sank more than 120 years after independence, three decades after the civil war, and was seen by some as a trigger for the escalation of hostilities in the Spanish-American war of 1898, even though most now agree the ship's demise was caused by a fire on board rather than by a Spanish mine. The Brits were not involved, on this occasion.
USS Maine blew up and sank more than 120 years after independence, three decades after the civil war, and was seen by some as a trigger for the escalation of hostilities in the Spanish-American war of 1898, even though most now agree the ship's demise was caused by a fire on board rather than by a Spanish mine. The Brits were not involved, on this occasion.
Oh what about the First Barbary War? You know, USA and Sweden vs. Britain & the four north African states?
Jul 5th 2018, 5:15 pm
#7181
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Re: WTF in America
Poseidon’s Curse: British Naval Impressment and Atlantic Origins of the American Revolution | Reviews in History
"As it turns out, beginning in 1775 the British navy compelled any seaman found on American merchant ships into the navy, while treating most privateersmen and mariners aboard ships of war first as pirates and then as something akin to prisoners of war to be incarcerated either for exchange or for the duration. "
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Jul 5th 2018, 5:18 pm
#7182
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Re: WTF in America
You know what kicked off the Revolutionary War? The British trying to seize privately owned firearms from colonists. Lexington. Paul Revere. The British are coming!
Simple Facts and Plain Arguments: The Revolutionary War Began With Gun Control
Simple Facts and Plain Arguments: The Revolutionary War Began With Gun Control
Jul 5th 2018, 5:20 pm
#7183
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Re: WTF in America
I still don't understand things here in GA. You can't buy a firework, but don't you dare regulate this grenade launcher that I just purchased - that would be socialism!
Jul 5th 2018, 5:20 pm
#7184
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Re: WTF in America
Look up the Barbary slave trade. White Europeans were captured and sold by slavers. They even grabbed them from the UK and Ireland.
Jul 5th 2018, 5:21 pm
#7185
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Re: WTF in America
Wow. How much did it cost to get your Destructive Device from the ATF? I believe grenades are $1000.