zargof

It's true you can't sell wives. Hell you can't even give them away!

SultanOfSwing

I can only imagine some poor bloke trying to pass off his wife as 'personal property'. He'd not be in possession of his bollocks very long, would he?

Maybe his wife could privately trade them though . . .

meauxna

bah dum bum!

Bob

Anyway...such distrust of the government, I'm wondering why there isn't already a uprising against the Police, Fire Brigade, Schools and hell, the Library service...the government is obviously so inept and corrupt we must look to the third world for stability.

Giantaxe

Clearly the US armed forces should be disbanded first. Heck, those guys could vaporize the entire United States if they wanted to.

ironporer

Hell....it cousts $thousands usually

chartreuse

Yeah, yeah, the so-called "gun show loophole". Not so much a myth as an unwelcome paedophile uncle who just won't stop turning up.

It doesn't exist - most of the vendors at gun shows are FFLs and carry out the same Form 4473 / NICS process as they do at their stores.

As for Columbine, at least three of the four guns were a straw purchase, made for the killers by a third party, who was over 21 and capable of passing a NICS check. So the so-called loophole would have made no difference.

Here you go, with the exagerations again. It's nothing to do with a lack of respect for government, Fire fighters, cops etc. It's about respect for private property rights - one of the cornerstones of civilization.

Anyway, I'm done. This is getting tedious.

Edited to add: In fact, I'd trust the government (including the current administration) more than I'd trust most of the folks in this thread, when it comes to defending these rights! Now, I'm done.

RoadWarriorFromLP

Did you honestly expect a right-wing op-ed journal like the National Review to claim otherwise?

John Lott's work has been soundly critiqued by scholars who have analyzed it in detail. You can't hope to be fair and balanced if you aren't fair or balanced.

Bob

Tedious indeed.

No exagerations, you're simply saying gun laws should be lack, right down to the weakest link because it suits you, and you happen to be a sensible gun owner. There are more who are not.

It's got absolutely nothing to do with privacy because if you go down that route, you've got a whole bunch of other weirdos and tiddy fiddlers etc using the same argument of privacy.

Safety of society is a larger issue.

I really can't believe a sensible person would be in favour of criminals and other people with dubious intentions easy access to buy legal firearms for illegal distribution just for the sake of their personal privacy.

I mean really, what is so wrong with needing to spend more than 5 minutes to buy something who's primary design is to kill people? Should be allowed to buy nerve agents, poisons and explosives just as easily if that's your thinking, but you can't can you.

Another thing, why the need for 30 round clips for pistols? Why the need for .50 calibre sniping rifles?

Saying that, shooting a rifle which knocks holes through a wall is a lot of fun. Friends dad has one he won in a poker game that some chap got from the army 20 odd years ago...it's probably more than illegal, but there's no checks and balances to keep tabs on it...and really, who needs a gun that powerful? He even admits it's crazy. He has a lot of other really cool guns and out on their patch of land, it's a lot of fun, but some of them seem way beyond sporting or for defence and the ease in which he could pass them on if he wanted worries even him, about those other people who are not quite as honest or sensible.

elfman

back to the Obamacare thing:

repealing healthcare reform when one of its more popular provisions is the one that prevents people being denied coverage due to pre-existing conditions might prove to be unpopular since:

up to half of all Americans have pre-existing conditions that make it either impossible or very expensive for them to obtain health insurance in the private non-group market.

http://www.slate.com/id/2281588/

Giantaxe

The problem is, many people don't understand the potentially drastic consequences of their having pre-existing conditions. If you have employer-provided healthcare it's a non-issue, because such insurance can't discriminate against people with such conditions. It's only when they lose their job that they suddenly realize that they're up shit creek without a paddle.

dakota44

Everything that goes against any gun advocates point of view is labeled a myth or some such thing. The very fact that you said this "most of the vendors at gun shows " exposes the loophole. it isn't all of them. In fact, most could be 51% leaving 49% doing the opposite. So let us shoot holes (pardon the pun) in that "myth" idea.

One year ago ABC News followed Reema's (that was one of the victims of the Virginia massacre) brother Omar to a gun show in Richmond, Va. Within a few minutes of arriving, Omar was able to purchase a glock handgun, the same make of gun used to kill at Virginia Tech.
After one hour at the show, Omar walked away with a handful of guns, all purchased without one single background check.

Even the obviously brain dead Governor of Virginia has no clue how easy it is to buy guns there without background checks. http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?se...ors&id=7841676

This is from 1998 but I seriously doubt it has changed much, since nothing has been done to close the loophole and gun laws have become even more lax in many states.

In 1998, over 4,400 gun shows were conducted around the country. 478 were held in Texas alone.1 The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) estimates on average 2,500 – 5,000 gun shows are held annually. In general, between 25% to 50% of sellers are not licensed dealers. The access to anonymous sales and the availability of large numbers of secondhand guns makes gun shows attractive to criminals and other prohibited purchasers. A federal study found that 10% of guns used in crime by juveniles were sold either at a gun show or a flea market, and in 1999, gun shows were associated with approximately 26,000 firearms used in crime.

http://www.csgv.org/issues-and-campa...w-loophole-faq

Or how about this?

John Patrick Bedell, who shot and wounded two police officers near the Pentagon, bought at least one of his 9 mm guns at a Nevada gun show, The Associated Press reported yesterday.

Law enforcement officials say Bedell, a man with a history of severe psychiatric problems, had been sent a letter by California authorities Jan. 10 telling him he was prohibited from buying a gun because of his mental history.

Less than three weeks later, Bedell bought a 9 mm Ruger at a Las Vegas gun show by exploiting one of the largest loopholes in the nation’s gun control laws: While federal law requires licensed gun dealers to perform background checks on all prospective gun buyers, unlicensed sellers — like those who often set up shop at roaming gun shows — are exempt. The background checks are designed to prevent sales to those legally ineligible to own guns, including felons, illegal immigrants and, like Bedell, the severely mentally ill.

Of course, even in the face of statistical proof, the naysayers say it is a myth. Why? Because admitting it is true would interfere with their agenda.

Steerpike

Or when they contemplate retirement before 65 ... as I am doing ... insurance is the one thing that is holding me back ...

Tarkak9

Health Care Reform - I wonder if it would be cheaper if they simply would allow Veterinarians to practice on humans (aggravated mammals). $80 for an xray...$50 visit... better bedside manners.... but wouldn't want them to take my temperature though.
HMOs would panic.

dakota44

chartreuse