Originally Posted by civilservant (Post 13050834)

People are still dying, and people moving from one place to another are contributing to that. As I said earlier in the thread, I am in favor of a total suspension if all international travel for everyone (other than essential person) until such time as the Delta variant burns itself out and there have been no new variants of concern for 60 days.

I don't believe it should apply to non-residents/USCs only, I just don't think you have the political standing as a guest of this country to complain about it.

Originally Posted by johnbrown1938 (Post 13050838)

So you are in favour of banning all international travel forever then?

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 13050837)

Because Biden says so. Nobody on here has any control of US politics.

Originally Posted by civilservant (Post 13050841)

I believe I already stated my criteria.

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 13050840)

Well the latest is the Mu variant.

Originally Posted by johnbrown1938 (Post 13050844)

But your criteria is forever though. There will always be a new variant of concern?

Originally Posted by civilservant (Post 13050846)

I don't agree with the premise of your statement. It certainly does not apply to Influenza, which is what COVID is assuming the endemic nature of.



And here you are making my point for me. Isolating VOC allows them to burn out without further spread.

Originally Posted by johnbrown1938 (Post 13050847)

There is not the collective will in the world unfortunately to let variants burn out as you say.

Originally Posted by Boomhauer (Post 13050880)

I wanted to go to Canada early this year, to pick up some equipment but couldn't as Canadian government was not allowing non-essential travel. I was thinking of going over to England around late March or April as I was fully vaccinated in early March, but lockdown rules and quarantine was in effect so didn't go.

Right now, the US State Dept is stating
https://travel.state.gov/content/tra...-advisory.html

Originally Posted by droidguy72 (Post 13050842)

Actually, I disagree. I believe residents of the US have political influence en masse, regardless of citizenship status.

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 13050887)

You can come to Canada now if you are fully vaxxed.

Originally Posted by TexanScot (Post 13050797)

...when researchers initially stated that there was "no evidence" that vaccines reduce the likelihood of contracting the virus then this absence of evidence was wrongly construed as evidence of absence, which is not the same thing at all.

We know now that the vaccines are pretty damn good at preventing you from contracting the virus in the first place, but a lack of scientific savvy amongst the media and the general public has allowed the myth to take hold that the vaccines are no use for this whatsoever.

Originally Posted by TexanScot (Post 13050797)

It's not quite that low, but I believe the vaccines reduce your risk of contracting the virus itself by around half, which is still nothing to be laughed at when you consider that if you DO contract it, the vaccine will likely stop you become seriously ill or being admitted to hospital.

Unfortunately the general public don't really understand the subtleties of science, and when researchers initially stated that there was "no evidence" that vaccines reduce the likelihood of contracting the virus then this absence of evidence was wrongly construed as evidence of absence, which is not the same thing at all.

We know now that the vaccines are pretty damn good at preventing you from contracting the virus in the first place, but a lack of scientific savvy amongst the media and the general public has allowed the myth to take hold that the vaccines are no use for this whatsoever.

Not everyone has or is interested in obtaining a scientific education, but the complicity from certain parts of the media in this has been truly shocking to behold.