Where is the anger?
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Re: Where is the anger?
In this case the US would have to accept them back as we never allowed them to enter.
Airlines have a responsibility to take back a person who is denied entry. Airlines can attempt to charge the passenger for the flight back if they arrived on a one way ticket and those flights with less than 24 hours notice aint cheap. If the person refuses to pay then we step in and remind them of their liability. Normally when I was doing these types of cases the airlines were OK to work with but was involved in the odd shouting match with gate check in staff. Some airlines had no evening flights so dependent on what time they arrived it was an overnight stay. God forbid we dealt with a charter airline who flew only once a week.
Dependent on the reason for denial Yes it could end up with them staying in jail or an overnight cell at the airport. Also to note that in having to take this passenger back and if the returning flight was full then somebody needed bumping from that flight.
Airlines have a responsibility to take back a person who is denied entry. Airlines can attempt to charge the passenger for the flight back if they arrived on a one way ticket and those flights with less than 24 hours notice aint cheap. If the person refuses to pay then we step in and remind them of their liability. Normally when I was doing these types of cases the airlines were OK to work with but was involved in the odd shouting match with gate check in staff. Some airlines had no evening flights so dependent on what time they arrived it was an overnight stay. God forbid we dealt with a charter airline who flew only once a week.
Dependent on the reason for denial Yes it could end up with them staying in jail or an overnight cell at the airport. Also to note that in having to take this passenger back and if the returning flight was full then somebody needed bumping from that flight.
I was never one of those argumentative gate agents, but eh every airline I worked for, we just bit the cost and bumping if necessary, no point in arguing the person was denied entry, what the hell am I going argue with the customs person about?
Its like some of the leads I worked with would get all worked up when their flight would get chosen by CBSA to x-ray the bags during offload with the fancy X-ray truck, sure it slowed things down, but eh why get worked up over it, it is what it is, and any departure delay can be blamed on CBSA for internal record keeping (airlines are anal about delays and even 1 minute late off the gate needs to have a reason in the computer) it's really not the end of the world, plus I welcomed CBSA, it was nice working a more leisurely pace during the offload.
But they rarely came to our flights to begin with, the Mexico arrivals on Air Canada and Wesjet jet were more interesting than our 5th flight of the day from Seattle.
Although the seasonal JFK and Detroit flight got chosen more, but not surprised, I know JFK can be a hot bed for drugs, and I wouldn't be surprised if Detroit it a hot bed for guns and drugs.
Now I was a little suspicious of bags with heavy scent of coffee and almost always wrapped in the stupid saran wrap crap. (wrap a bag up so there is no handles accessible, guess what your bag is treated even worse)
It was sort of weird though seeing the CBSA people on TV then seeing them at the airport, your brain wants to go, TV person, but then you go, but they are not actors.
One perk the CBSA peeps had was their ability to ................but I can't say what as it might be considered SSI so will err on the side of caution.
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Re: Where is the anger?
Charles Cooke covered the issue well on Fox News yesterday: https://video.foxnews.com/v/62723400...#sp=show-clips
Also good to see some ambassadors to the US (from Ireland, NL, Poland) and politicians (Rep. Brendan Boyle) have applied pressure recently.
However, I do have very little hope that Biden will change the laws anytime soon.
I can only hope I get my GC finalised in the next year and a half, and cross my fingers than my family in the UK does not get sick and require my help.
Also good to see some ambassadors to the US (from Ireland, NL, Poland) and politicians (Rep. Brendan Boyle) have applied pressure recently.
However, I do have very little hope that Biden will change the laws anytime soon.
I can only hope I get my GC finalised in the next year and a half, and cross my fingers than my family in the UK does not get sick and require my help.
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Oh Fox news. Complaining because it's Biden keeping the boarders shut (Oh the humanity! A Democrat has continued the policies of our ejected demi-God!) but the second he reopens them they'll be hitting him from the other side for allowing 'aliens' bringing COVID into the US.
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Re: Where is the anger?
Charles Cooke covered the issue well on Fox News yesterday: https://video.foxnews.com/v/62723400...#sp=show-clips
Also good to see some ambassadors to the US (from Ireland, NL, Poland) and politicians (Rep. Brendan Boyle) have applied pressure recently.
However, I do have very little hope that Biden will change the laws anytime soon.
I can only hope I get my GC finalised in the next year and a half, and cross my fingers than my family in the UK does not get sick and require my help.
Also good to see some ambassadors to the US (from Ireland, NL, Poland) and politicians (Rep. Brendan Boyle) have applied pressure recently.
However, I do have very little hope that Biden will change the laws anytime soon.
I can only hope I get my GC finalised in the next year and a half, and cross my fingers than my family in the UK does not get sick and require my help.
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Re: Where is the anger?
Oh Fox news. Complaining because it's Biden keeping the boarders shut (Oh the humanity! A Democrat has continued the policies of our ejected demi-God!) but the second he reopens them they'll be hitting him from the other side for allowing 'aliens' bringing COVID into the US.
I’ve noticed this type of terminology a lot in this thread. Biden will, or won’t, do this or that. It’s really a lot more useful and accurate to think of the US Government taking certain actions. It’s really neither here nor there, whether the person who is currently president is particularly invested in any particular government action or policy.
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Re: Where is the anger?
Yes, I’m well aware of that. Doesn’t mean that the President sat at his desk and wrote it himself, or that he’s particularly invested in this policy. The US government has to do a lot every day, and presidential proclamations are one of the ways they do stuff that needs to be effected ASAP.
#157
Re: Where is the anger?
I don't know how many times I need to state this: Biden implemented the travel ban on the UK. Trump lifted one before leaving office. Please get your facts straight. I am no fan of Biden's predecessor, but it is important to know where policy originates from.
It is literally a Presidential proclamation. The President's office drafted this legislation and then signed it. It did not come through the Senate, or Congress.
It is literally a Presidential proclamation. The President's office drafted this legislation and then signed it. It did not come through the Senate, or Congress.
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Fwiw Trump never lifted the ban at all. He signed an order to do so on the 18th/19th of january 2021, Which was due to come into effect on the 26th.
Biden basically cut and pasted the original ban and reinstated it on the 21st....
It would have been foolish to have lifted the ban in January the UK in Particular was having a pretty tough time of it with covid. It was nothing but a petty politically motivated move from Trump.
Biden basically cut and pasted the original ban and reinstated it on the 21st....
It would have been foolish to have lifted the ban in January the UK in Particular was having a pretty tough time of it with covid. It was nothing but a petty politically motivated move from Trump.
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Re: Where is the anger?
It was a blatant attempt to wipe the slate clean and pass on any responsibility for his actions to the Biden administration, giving the impression that Trump lifted the ban and then Biden put a new one in place.
Evidently it worked.
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Except the ban was never actually lifted. Trump made an announcement saying it was going to be lifted on the 26th Jan 2021 (which would have been 6 days after Biden took office, so not his decision by then anyway), but it never happened, Biden's team swiftly said they had no intention of lifting the restrictions after all.
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Oh indeed, and the pertinent fact here is that the under Trump's order the ban would have lifted six days after he left office.
It was a blatant attempt to wipe the slate clean and pass on any responsibility for his actions to the Biden administration, giving the impression that Trump lifted the ban and then Biden put a new one in place.
Evidently it worked.
It was a blatant attempt to wipe the slate clean and pass on any responsibility for his actions to the Biden administration, giving the impression that Trump lifted the ban and then Biden put a new one in place.
Evidently it worked.
It was simply a political manoeuvre
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Except that's not true at all. https://www.americanbar.org/groups/p...cutive-order-/
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