Where is the anger?
#196
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Re: Where is the anger?
all your talk about the UK pulling out of intelligence sharing seems even less likely with this new deal:
https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-f...-johnson-says/
#197
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Re: Where is the anger?
Not sure that is really realistic. COVID probably will spike sometime in the next six months anyway. But, it’s very likely that by the run up to the 2022 elections, it will have decisively receded, so the general takeaway will be relief that the pandemic is over, even if COVID remains in endemic form.
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#198
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Re: Where is the anger?
In the US everyone has had a chance to get vaccinated for many months. There is no "line" or people who havent had a chance
Those who are vaccinated are protected. End of story, the vaccine works.
Case numbers are irrelevant. It's like saying "how many people tripped over their shoelaces today" and there are so many variables comparison of data is flawed.It might be a guide if there is consistent testing regimes but there is not
Deaths is what should drive a massive national action."How many people tripped over their shoelaces, smacked their head on the pavement and died of a direct result of that fall
So we are looking at a couple of thousand deaths a day right now. Apparently a pandemic of the unvaccinated.
Here are the other causes of death, that kill more people a day than covid
Unvaccinated people have taken a decision and if they get sick and die that's on them in the same way heavy smokers or speeding drivers take a risk. Fortunately their numbers are relatively small so hospitals are able to handle that. This is in comparison to 18months ago when no one was vaccinated, this was unexpected and hospitals in the main, kinda coped. We should be al set now.
If you can't get vaccinated for health reasons, then stay at home. Don't expect the rest of the country to dance around you, there is no precedent for that. No one tells the rest of the world not to drive because some people died in a car crash
Vaccinated people are good to go. Maybe a tiny number will still get sick from covid but nowhere near a number that demands any action at a national level
More kids died from being shot, in Chicago, last year, than from Covid. Vaccines for Kids, masks for kids is sick and cruel. If it is to protect adults, then see above.
TexanScot is angry at unvaccinated people. My question to him/her is Why? Their decision costs them, no one else. The only reason that impacts you or anyone else is because the government have chosen to double down on the stupid and decided that unvaccinated people have to be protected from themselves at the expense of vaccinated people (and also to protect the vaccinated who are not at risk because they are vaccinated so get vaccinated because it protects you but you are also at risk from those nasty unvaccinated people.....).
If you have anger. direct it at those fools, they are the ones dragging this out for political reasons, not scientific and public health reasons.
Those who are vaccinated are protected. End of story, the vaccine works.
Case numbers are irrelevant. It's like saying "how many people tripped over their shoelaces today" and there are so many variables comparison of data is flawed.It might be a guide if there is consistent testing regimes but there is not
- How many people did we ask? Did we ask 1 million or one thousand? The number of tests carried out will influence the number of cases found
- Where did we ask? Did we ask outside the local library, or did we ask outside the local old peoples home?
Deaths is what should drive a massive national action."How many people tripped over their shoelaces, smacked their head on the pavement and died of a direct result of that fall
So we are looking at a couple of thousand deaths a day right now. Apparently a pandemic of the unvaccinated.
Here are the other causes of death, that kill more people a day than covid
- Heart Disease
- Cancer
- Accidents
- Strokes
- Chronic lower respiratory disease
- Alzheimers
Unvaccinated people have taken a decision and if they get sick and die that's on them in the same way heavy smokers or speeding drivers take a risk. Fortunately their numbers are relatively small so hospitals are able to handle that. This is in comparison to 18months ago when no one was vaccinated, this was unexpected and hospitals in the main, kinda coped. We should be al set now.
If you can't get vaccinated for health reasons, then stay at home. Don't expect the rest of the country to dance around you, there is no precedent for that. No one tells the rest of the world not to drive because some people died in a car crash
Vaccinated people are good to go. Maybe a tiny number will still get sick from covid but nowhere near a number that demands any action at a national level
More kids died from being shot, in Chicago, last year, than from Covid. Vaccines for Kids, masks for kids is sick and cruel. If it is to protect adults, then see above.
TexanScot is angry at unvaccinated people. My question to him/her is Why? Their decision costs them, no one else. The only reason that impacts you or anyone else is because the government have chosen to double down on the stupid and decided that unvaccinated people have to be protected from themselves at the expense of vaccinated people (and also to protect the vaccinated who are not at risk because they are vaccinated so get vaccinated because it protects you but you are also at risk from those nasty unvaccinated people.....).
If you have anger. direct it at those fools, they are the ones dragging this out for political reasons, not scientific and public health reasons.
#199
Re: Where is the anger?
Leaving aside all the rest of this, this statement is not true. Pools of unvaccinated people are where the variants arise, including variants that may ultimately be able to completely evade the vaccines and put us all right back where we started.
#200
Re: Where is the anger?
Those who are vaccinated are protected. End of story, the vaccine works.
Fortunately their numbers are relatively small so hospitals are able to handle that.
This is in comparison to 18months ago when no one was vaccinated, this was unexpected and hospitals in the main, kinda coped. We should be al set now.
This is in comparison to 18months ago when no one was vaccinated, this was unexpected and hospitals in the main, kinda coped. We should be al set now.
Not so much.
#201
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Re: Where is the anger?
This argument also has no end. The same can be applied to flu or any other virus that we live with ordinarily.
#202
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Re: Where is the anger?
If you choose to continue mandates/masks/lockdowns based on that premise then this will never end. The same logic has never been applied to any other virus/vaccine. This is hysteria. You can't control the rest of the world. Remember when the "delta" variant used to be called the "indian variant"? A USA vaccine mandate isn't going to help.
#203
Re: Where is the anger?
So by extension we shouldn't be worried about climate change either then. Since we can't enforce our standards on India. Just because something is hard doesn't mean you don't do it. This country used to lead by example.
#204
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Re: Where is the anger?
#205
Re: Where is the anger?
If you choose to continue mandates/masks/lockdowns based on that premise then this will never end. The same logic has never been applied to any other virus/vaccine. This is hysteria. You can't control the rest of the world. Remember when the "delta" variant used to be called the "indian variant"? A USA vaccine mandate isn't going to help.
The last time we had a pandemic, the measures we have now were not available. If you can't adapt to changing circumstances, then you won't do very well. It is how our species has grown and prospered.
I will wear a mask for as long as it is necessary for mutual protection. That is how a society works. We take responsibility for each other.
Compulsory vaccines absolutely do work. Remember smallpox? No, you don't. It was eradicated by vaccination. More vaccination = fewer deaths and less disease. Direct relationship.
You are in the US - you are aware that children cannot go to school without a series of mandatory vaccinations? Yes, it works.
#206
Re: Where is the anger?
If that is the case then anger should be directed at the government (any one you like) for not being prepared. They have had 18 months to prepare for the current peak, a fraction of the size of past waves. What have they been doing?? Where is their "nightingale hospital"? Why should the whole country suffer because of their failure?
The same logic has never been applied to any other virus/vaccine.
#207
Re: Where is the anger?
If that is the case then anger should be directed at the government (any one you like) for not being prepared. They have had 18 months to prepare for the current peak, a fraction of the size of past waves. What have they been doing?? Where is their "nightingale hospital"? Why should the whole country suffer because of their failure?
You have misquoted. The text in quotes under my name that you have here was not said by me.
#208
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Re: Where is the anger?
Where on earth did you get that idea?
The immunity induced by vaccination is "natural". It works by stimulating an immune response in your own immune system.
Yes, you can get infected if you are vaccinated. But you don't die.