Originally Posted by Pulaski

But that just means that he would have shut down even more of American than actually happened, doesn't it? That might have been the best thing to do to control the pandemic, but when America doesn't have generous unemployment pay, or much of a safety net to help the unemployed, Americans are going to look for someone who wants to create jobs, and if Biden's angle is to say "I would have given better leadership on coronavirus" it is just going to sound like he wanted to throw even more people out of work.

You seem to be obsessed with the idea that 130,000 deaths is a lot, in America it really isn't. For starters it is only about 12 days worth of normal, average deaths in the US - there are about 11,000 deaths a day, every day in the US on average. Then somewhere between a quarter and a third of those deaths were in care homes - the elderly and frail, who were, to be blunt, just waiting to die. Then there is the fact that that deaths are significantly skewed racially, with apparently a black person twice as likely as a white person to die from coronavirus, and other racial minorities to also suffer disproportionately. Then there is the fact that the deaths, to date at least, were skewed towards New York, which is considered to be a Democrat stronghold, so it wouldn't matter if there is a backlast against Donald Trump in NYC, as he was very unlikely to win New York anyway. Other centers have been other large cities, which are generally islands of Democrat support even in states that are generally Republican leaning.

So, per above, across the vast majority of America, the "fly over" part, voters don't necessarily see themselves as being at great risk from coronavirus - for one or more of several reasons - they're not elderly, they're not in a large city, they're not an ethnic minority, and in most cases they either don't know anyone who died, or the person they know was elderly and/or unhealthy, and were "going to die soon anyway". And of course then there are those who just "rationalize" the death of grandpa as being "God's will".

So when it comes time to vote, large numbers of voters are going to vote based on their own self interest, which is work and jobs, not on sentimentality over a tiny percentage of deaths, mostly of the elderly who they either didn't know, or don't empathize with for one or more reasons. ..... For many Americans it would be like British voters voting based on what was happening in Barcelona, Berlin, or Athens. No matter how tragic, what is happening to you and your family locally, will (pardon the pun) trump what is happening hundreds or thousands of miles away in a city that is alien to you.

Please note I am not saying I agree with any of those statements, though I might agree with some of them, but I hope that this summary helps you understand a little of what is actually going on here, in the Amercica that the mainstream media seems to have lost contact with.

Originally Posted by Pulaski

And outside of the US, you are getting nothing about Biden. He is... probably the only candidate that the Democrats could find who makes Donald Trump look eloquent.

Originally Posted by GeneralPowerpoint

I'll have what you're smoking. Sounds great.

Originally Posted by Pulaski

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[2] you're in advertizing, in NYC, so your view is a long way, both politically and geographically from most of America, same as the NY Times and the TV networks.

You should get out more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzBdBj5QWyY

Originally Posted by GeneralPowerpoint

My view is that Joe Biden is a more eloquent speaker than Donald Trump. Are you saying that view is a long way from most of America?

Do you think most of America thinks that Donald Trump is the more eloquent of the two? ...

Originally Posted by GeneralPowerpoint

My view is that Joe Biden is a more eloquent speaker than Donald Trump. Are you saying that view is a long way from most of America?

Do you think most of America thinks that Donald Trump is the more eloquent of the two?

I'd love to hear what you're basing that on and why you think you're more qualified to make an assessment about what most of America thinks than someone from NYC?

Originally Posted by GeneralPowerpoint

My view is that Joe Biden is a more eloquent speaker than Donald Trump. Are you saying that view is a long way from most of America?

Do you think most of America thinks that Donald Trump is the more eloquent of the two?

I'd love to hear what you're basing that on and why you think you're more qualified to make an assessment about what most of America thinks than someone from NYC?

Originally Posted by Pulaski

[1] It's not legal here
[2] you're in advertizing, in NYC, so your view is a long way, both politically and geographically from most of America, same as the NY Times and the TV networks.

You should get out more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzBdBj5QWyY

Originally Posted by petitefrancaise

I love Darwinism. I can only think that the average IQ of the nation is going to increase in the next year.

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl

Biden is more eloquent if he remembers what he is talking about. Trump on the other hand has the vocabulary of a 5 year old.

Originally Posted by Pulaski

Your qualifications to be a political pundit on US elections are as flimsy as your qualifications to discuss the development and testing of vaccines. You have, quite clearly, absolutely no awareness of the situation "on the ground" across much of the US, and you are relying on the same media that confidently predicted, right up to the moment that the polls closed, that Hilary Clinton was going to trounce Donald Trump in 2016 to predict that Joe Biden will beat Donald Trump in 2020.

Originally Posted by andyrebell

But 137k is a quarter of the death toll of the world for this virus from the wealthiest and most powerful country in the world?. I just can't behind get people claiming Trump has done a good job over this. He hasn't but he thinks he has. Throughout this we have seen him ranting the way he does saying this is Chinese virus and telling people to inject bleach into their lungs and asking a doctor from Harvard or Yale if that was possible and then asking can we heat the body up to 150 degrees or whatever?. Yes in a nuclear reactor!. The man is the leader of the country he should not be asking those questions leaving his own experts not knowing which way to look. He should be presidential he should expel confidence and he didn't. If he had, I think the toll would have been less.

You can talk about jobs and people voting on that at the ballot box. But few presidents survive a recession no matter the cause of it. We shall see in November.

Originally Posted by moneypenny20

Who are these people? Why on earth should you get behind them? Why do you even need to state that? In the main they are people who blindly follow Trump regardless of what he says. No one with even the basic level of common sense would claim he's done a good job over COVID. You come out with the strangest statements that have very little to do with the posts you quote.