US to start profiling as part of air security checks
 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8600564.stm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...assengers.html

Screening will take into account characteristics like nationality, age, recently visited countries and partial names, and DOES include US citizens

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Personally, have no issue with this. In fact, too long in coming.

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I thought they always did this whether they admitted it or not....

Any one pulled into secondary for using AP or numerous VWP's or whatever, usually your about the only other European Caucasian person there, but the waiting pen would be filled with people from the ME or various parts of South American and the Caribbean etc.

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So did I.:unsure:

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Yep.

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I think they've finally given up saying "we don't profile" and started saying what we've all known for years...that they do profile.

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Thinking again, it is different. The type of profiling we've been talking about was illegal immigrant/smuggler profiling, but this is new improved terr'ist profiling.

ETA: Which will be carried out by poorly paid security guards in foreign countries...

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When I come back from Europe this summer I'll tell you all about what they do :rofl: Unfortunately everyone I've run into thought I was from Mexico :frown:

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This all because of the "pants" bomber, got to giggle? (not! if he had been successful!)
and so they are profiling and using intelligence? er! underpants guy.. his father told the UK, they told the US! and nothing was done! the US special relationship?? has taken a downward on this point after the US tried to blame the UK! and then the UK was proved to be right, the CIA, FBI and Homeland security need to sort out their own knickers! and work together.
I love this country (USA for referenced) and I believe there is a special bond,(despite the need to blame the UK!) and for the US this is new, 9 years of foreign terrorism on you soil.
I was 40, 2 weeks ago, I lived a life of terrorism funded by American's and not legislated against?..I guess! as the money kept coming, not a lot, not by most, but enough!
I think it was no coincidence that the IRA went to talk's not long after after 9/11, as in money dried up, as the IRA had been trained at the same camp's as the Muslims terrorist's!
my last moment is to tell you that I know some amazing Irish people..big fun! the Irish do tend to be fun, but I know a couple of miserable bugger:D but I also know some amazing Muslim's.

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I think by including only a dozen countries(all except one are Islamic)for racial profiling,they made it easier for the bad guys to look for other nationalities for their evil jobs.
It took 5 months for the DHS to finally agree and change the rule.
Israel's Mossad has always used other nationalities's passports to carry out murders so it was always a fair game as far as they are concerned.
Travelling anywhere is no fun anymore.

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From the first link:

"Days later, the administration ordered a significant increase in secondary searches, requiring all passengers from or traveling through Afghanistan, Algeria, Lebanon, Libya, Iraq, Nigeria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Somalia and Yemen to undergo extra security at the airport. Travelers from countries considered state sponsors of terrorism -- Cuba, Syria, Iran and Sudan -- were subjected to the same screening, including pat-downs and additional bag checks. "

Which is great, but if the two Moscow subway bombers decided to hit the New York subway instead, as they come from Dagestan and had south Russian-sounding names. Sorry to say, I still don't think overt profiling works, other than to make normal folk eye anything vaguely foreign as suspicious.

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El Al do.

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Unless you know their techniques, and exactly who it is they are looking for, then they don't. While we all know they profile, I'm pretty sure their methodology hasn't been published in the NY Times so anyone who can read can get around it.

That's why I specifically stated I don't believe "overt profiling" works.

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Completely agree with you.
Richard Reid.the 'shoe bomber' was not a Muslim and carried a British passport.While the intelligence staff at the airports were only looking to single out "Middle Eastern Looking men with beards" and carried passports from any of the Muslim countries,Reid did not attract any attention.

So racial profiling at western airports is an absurd idea.