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Uncle_Bob Feb 17th 2014 5:44 am

Re: U12 Soccer at the highest level.
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 11132291)
We are St Vrain!

Just down the road.

Go Green.

No matter how long i stay in America I don't think I could ever bring myself to shout "GO (teamname)"

Its still "Come On (teamname)" with me and always will be :nod:

Flabound oneday Feb 17th 2014 8:04 am

Re: U12 Soccer at the highest level.
 

Originally Posted by Orangepants (Post 11134097)
My OH is a soccer coach (and used to play professionally in the UK), last weekend HE got sent off twice, in consecutive games, for questioning the referee and for being abusive, following bad decisions. Fortunately the games were being recorded and the playback will be shown at the disciplinary hearings which will show, not only was he not abusive (this time!) but he was also correct in the match play. Bloody refs!

know the feeling, we have had a few red cards that affect a game (issued by a home ref) but then no match report, so you cant register a complaint as -according to the league- it never happened :confused:

in the incident with the ref over the handball, I was told I was about to be red carded for arguing, though I never raised my voice and never swore (both rare occurrences for me :o ) even when I proved I was right and he was wrong it was just 'oh well'

Philk Feb 17th 2014 8:25 am

Re: U12 Soccer at the highest level.
 

Originally Posted by Sheepdip (Post 11133757)
That was one of the reasons for becoming a referee. My son was a youth and HS coach and at times it was embarrassing (but not everyone gets it right all the time!). Main problem here (and probably most states) is that there simply isn't enough officials. You have to really love the game (in most instances) to do this!

Yeh, I became a ref ( too old to play but wanted to stay with the game ), I've seen some bad refs but as you say, there aren't enough of them and the comments I get every game sometimes make me want to give up - coaches and parents.

I had a coach yelling at me during a game - then after the game he apologized and said that if he doesn't shout the parents don't think he's doing his job:(

Yorkieabroad Feb 17th 2014 8:38 am

Re: U12 Soccer at the highest level.
 
A lot of the refs in our league are just youngsters learning their game at the same time the players are learning theirs. Most of them do pretty well, and most of the coaches are pretty supportive of them. Its just a shame I had to say "most", not "all"...

One of the best refs in our league is an old English Hippy type. With the younger ages he indulges in a bit of coaching as necessary, especially with throw ins etc. But he doesn't put up with any crap...one game he sent a dad off for continually verbally abusing the other teams players (10 yolds!) and the 14(?) yo linesman. It didn't take long for the ref to come and chat to him, warned him if he didn't stop he'd be removed to the car park, at which point the dad shouted "wtf would you know - you don't know the ^&*ing rules anyway you old asshole". Cue the red card:lol: Took about 10 minutes for him to leave, cursing and arguing with everyone including the league rep, both coaches and most of his own teams parents. In the end he did leave, but took his son with him:(. The other team's coach then apologized to all, but the rest of the game was pretty muted.

scrubbedexpat099 Feb 17th 2014 2:07 pm

Re: U12 Soccer at the highest level.
 
When you sign them up you have pages and pages of crap to agree to.

Presumably this combo would be booted out after that.

They have a Referee course this Saturday, can not do it, maybe next time.

Go green I say quite dryly, first game of the new season is 20th March.

I will need to work in some chants, Your'e even worse than the Villa, does not seem to work.

Yorkieabroad Feb 17th 2014 2:47 pm

Re: U12 Soccer at the highest level.
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 11134737)
When you sign them up you have pages and pages of crap to agree to.

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Ours has a parents handbook, a list of "sideline expectations", and the 10 commandments. The first is "Learn the rules or be quiet". Second is "be quiet anyway":rofl:

scrubbedexpat099 Feb 17th 2014 2:57 pm

Re: U12 Soccer at the highest level.
 
The only issues I heard was the Mother of the yellow card girl who had mouthed of to the Ref being told from distance to shutup.

The general consensus was like Mother like Daughter.

I was going to say it probably helps that we win, but I got a chance to chat with most of the others and they all seemed reasonable.

Sheepdip Feb 17th 2014 11:37 pm

Re: U12 Soccer at the highest level.
 

Originally Posted by Yorkieabroad (Post 11134417)
A lot of the refs in our league are just youngsters learning their game at the same time the players are learning theirs. Most of them do pretty well, and most of the coaches are pretty supportive of them. Its just a shame I had to say "most", not "all"...

One of the best refs in our league is an old English Hippy type. With the younger ages he indulges in a bit of coaching as necessary, especially with throw ins etc. But he doesn't put up with any crap...one game he sent a dad off for continually verbally abusing the other teams players (10 yolds!) and the 14(?) yo linesman. It didn't take long for the ref to come and chat to him, warned him if he didn't stop he'd be removed to the car park, at which point the dad shouted "wtf would you know - you don't know the ^&*ing rules anyway you old asshole". Cue the red card:lol: Took about 10 minutes for him to leave, cursing and arguing with everyone including the league rep, both coaches and most of his own teams parents. In the end he did leave, but took his son with him:(. The other team's coach then apologized to all, but the rest of the game was pretty muted.

Never sent a player off yet, but did send an abusive spectator (female girl's team HS coach!) from a ground once.

Bink Feb 17th 2014 11:52 pm

Re: U12 Soccer at the highest level.
 

Originally Posted by Yorkieabroad (Post 11134417)
A lot of the refs in our league are just youngsters learning their game at the same time the players are learning theirs. Most of them do pretty well, and most of the coaches are pretty supportive of them. Its just a shame I had to say "most", not "all"...

One of the best refs in our league is an old English Hippy type. With the younger ages he indulges in a bit of coaching as necessary, especially with throw ins etc. But he doesn't put up with any crap...one game he sent a dad off for continually verbally abusing the other teams players (10 yolds!) and the 14(?) yo linesman. It didn't take long for the ref to come and chat to him, warned him if he didn't stop he'd be removed to the car park, at which point the dad shouted "wtf would you know - you don't know the ^&*ing rules anyway you old asshole". Cue the red card:lol: Took about 10 minutes for him to leave, cursing and arguing with everyone including the league rep, both coaches and most of his own teams parents. In the end he did leave, but took his son with him:(. The other team's coach then apologized to all, but the rest of the game was pretty muted.

You're kinder than me, I'd say the majority of the refs here are utter shite. Many of them have no idea with the rules and are highly inconsistent which is the worst thing you can be as a ref. Being inconsistent leads to tempers rising throughout a game.

Yorkieabroad Feb 17th 2014 11:58 pm

Re: U12 Soccer at the highest level.
 

Originally Posted by Bink (Post 11135208)
You're kinder than me, I'd say the majority of the refs here are utter shite. Many of them have no idea with the rules and are highly inconsistent which is the worst thing you can be as a ref. Being inconsistent leads to tempers rising throughout a game.

Yeah, but I'm guessing we're at the other end of the spectrum to you.....ours are kids games and a lot of the refs not much older than the players! Still doesn't stop a certain demographic from treating each game like a World Cup final.......

Bink Feb 18th 2014 12:22 am

Re: U12 Soccer at the highest level.
 

Originally Posted by Yorkieabroad (Post 11135222)
Yeah, but I'm guessing we're at the other end of the spectrum to you.....ours are kids games and a lot of the refs not much older than the players! Still doesn't stop a certain demographic from treating each game like a World Cup final.......

This is true. According to our ref on Sunday shoulder to shoulder contact is outlawed but two footed tackles with the studs showing are fair game... :eek::confused::blink:

Flabound oneday Feb 18th 2014 1:23 am

Re: U12 Soccer at the highest level.
 
I hate the ones who allow bad tackles but as soon as someone yells 'hey ref !!!) its a yellow card.

I once got a red (coaching) for saying 'that's ridiculous' about a decision BUT to someone else , it cost us the game and I have to admit I did tell him to f*** off......his report said I used the F word 10 times BEFORE he sent me off..................blatant lie and even though I had witnesses the league didn't want to know

Bink Feb 18th 2014 1:34 am

Re: U12 Soccer at the highest level.
 

Originally Posted by Flabound oneday (Post 11135341)
I hate the ones who allow bad tackles but as soon as someone yells 'hey ref !!!) its a yellow card.

I once got a red (coaching) for saying 'that's ridiculous' about a decision BUT to someone else , it cost us the game and I have to admit I did tell him to f*** off......his report said I used the F word 10 times BEFORE he sent me off..................blatant lie and even though I had witnesses the league didn't want to know

So you've met our ref from Sunday then?! :sneaky:

I had a word with him about the tackle he waived on and his response was that our player was looking for the foul (I've never seen any player look for a foul like that we he gets hit above his ankle, seriously wtf?! ) and then I was warned to say quiet or I'd get a card...

Honestly, it was about as bad a tackle as I've seen. It's a miracle he didn't break the guys leg. We were playing a team that is known for diving. They go down for everything and the refs just don't seem to see it. There are frequently red cards in games against them because the other team always gets wound up with the constant diving.

It's tough - I don't want to see the refs abused but at the same time they're getting paid and most of the ones that ref my games are atrocious.

Back on topic about younger kids - I've been to watch a few of my nephew's games here and I'll say that on the whole I think although the parents are more vocal here generally about sport and cheering etc, they're calmer and more polite than the parents at footy games back in the UK!!

yukichon Feb 18th 2014 3:20 am

Re: U12 Soccer at the highest level.
 
I will be trying to enforce a 'line of respect' which keeps parents at a distance. There is NOTHING more damaging to a player than having a shouts parent.
Don't suffer it here and won't out there.

Flabound oneday Feb 18th 2014 4:42 am

Re: U12 Soccer at the highest level.
 

Originally Posted by yukichon (Post 11135512)
I will be trying to enforce a 'line of respect' which keeps parents at a distance. There is NOTHING more damaging to a player than having a shouts parent.
Don't suffer it here and won't out there.

you can almost hear a collective **sigh**

good luck
if you can do it well done
be prepared for the worst
watch out for the ones with the large 32oz Kmart solo cups....it aint Kool aid inside !!:eek:


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