U.S ban foreign visitors who have been to China within the last 2 weeks.
Feb 1st 2020, 10:12 pm
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Re: U.S ban foreign visitors who have been to China within the last 2 weeks.
Failing to stop a few cases is not the end of the world, especially with a virus with an R-o of around 4.
Open borders could lead to disaster.
Open borders could lead to disaster.
Feb 1st 2020, 10:22 pm
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I have never been to China so I don't know anything Chinese border controls. How can they tell if you have been to China? Is a chinese passport stamp similar to a UK/US passport stamp with dates on it or is it all in chinese writing which most people could not read. And what would stop a person from getting a new passport with no chinese stamp in it?
Why should Chinese nationals speak English? Why don't you learn to speak Mandarin or Cantonese? And while you're at it, how about not being such a racist bellend?
Feb 1st 2020, 10:26 pm
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Because English is the language of opportunity or so everyone keeps saying our used to say didn't they. And a lot do learn it there is money to be made telling english or american english in China.
Feb 1st 2020, 10:26 pm
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* R₀ is the number of infections that each new case causes - if R₀ = 1 the disease will spread, but only slow as each infection only leads to one additional infection. An R₀ of 4 has the potential to turn into a pandemic.
Feb 1st 2020, 10:32 pm
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Only English speaking say that. Maybe broaden your horizons a tad.
Feb 1st 2020, 11:29 pm
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The time to truly be concerned is when we starting see deaths from the virus here in the Western Europe and America were we have better medical care, standards of living, better quality of air and perhaps even better standards of health.
Feb 1st 2020, 11:37 pm
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Re: U.S ban foreign visitors who have been to China within the last 2 weeks.
I have never been to China so I don't know anything Chinese border controls. How can they tell if you have been to China? Is a chinese passport stamp similar to a UK/US passport stamp with dates on it or is it all in chinese writing which most people could not read. And what would stop a person from getting a new passport with no chinese stamp in it?
Airlines are required to hand over a passenger manifest to TSA / US immigration before the plane leaves the ground. Immigration doesn't sit there flicking through each page of your passport. The plane is not allowed to access US airspace if this is not done. They will know if you have been to China. Last time I used one of the immigration kiosks at the airport it had my flight details displayed just from scanning my passport.
This is also true of European countries. You don't enter the UK on an airplane without British authorities already knowing.
US Citizens cannot be blocked from entering the US.
Feb 2nd 2020, 1:11 am
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Other countries have done this too.
Airlines are required to hand over a passenger manifest to TSA / US immigration before the plane leaves the ground. Immigration doesn't sit there flicking through each page of your passport. The plane is not allowed to access US airspace if this is not done. They will know if you have been to China. Last time I used one of the immigration kiosks at the airport it had my flight details displayed just from scanning my passport.
This is also true of European countries. You don't enter the UK on an airplane without British authorities already knowing.
US Citizens cannot be blocked from entering the US.
Airlines are required to hand over a passenger manifest to TSA / US immigration before the plane leaves the ground. Immigration doesn't sit there flicking through each page of your passport. The plane is not allowed to access US airspace if this is not done. They will know if you have been to China. Last time I used one of the immigration kiosks at the airport it had my flight details displayed just from scanning my passport.
This is also true of European countries. You don't enter the UK on an airplane without British authorities already knowing.
US Citizens cannot be blocked from entering the US.
Feb 2nd 2020, 5:47 am
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Re: U.S ban foreign visitors who have been to China within the last 2 weeks.
I visited China in 2008 with a tour group. We visited an open air market during a river cruise. Open air markets are very popular It was very dirty and smelly with geese and rabbits confined in small wooden crates trapped in their own filth and droppings, raw fish on display with more flies landing and taking off than planes at O'Hare on a busy day. I wouldn't have purchased a single food item in that place under any circumstances. Small wonder yet another virus out on the loose.
Feb 2nd 2020, 8:03 am
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And my English children are taught Mandarin at their school (as well as French & Spanish). Hopefully they’ll grow up and have an appreciation for different languages and cultures, and won’t be arrogant enough to expect everyone else to speak their language (or to look down on them or call them rude if they don’t).
Bet you’re one of those tourists that just shouts a bit louder in English aren’t you?
Bet you’re one of those tourists that just shouts a bit louder in English aren’t you?
Feb 2nd 2020, 11:13 am
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Re: U.S ban foreign visitors who have been to China within the last 2 weeks.
Other countries have done this too.
Airlines are required to hand over a passenger manifest to TSA / US immigration before the plane leaves the ground. Immigration doesn't sit there flicking through each page of your passport. The plane is not allowed to access US airspace if this is not done. They will know if you have been to China. Last time I used one of the immigration kiosks at the airport it had my flight details displayed just from scanning my passport.
This is also true of European countries. You don't enter the UK on an airplane without British authorities already knowing.
US Citizens cannot be blocked from entering the US.
Airlines are required to hand over a passenger manifest to TSA / US immigration before the plane leaves the ground. Immigration doesn't sit there flicking through each page of your passport. The plane is not allowed to access US airspace if this is not done. They will know if you have been to China. Last time I used one of the immigration kiosks at the airport it had my flight details displayed just from scanning my passport.
This is also true of European countries. You don't enter the UK on an airplane without British authorities already knowing.
US Citizens cannot be blocked from entering the US.
Last edited by andyrebell; Feb 2nd 2020 at 11:22 am.
Feb 2nd 2020, 11:15 am
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Re: U.S ban foreign visitors who have been to China within the last 2 weeks.
And my English children are taught Mandarin at their school (as well as French & Spanish). Hopefully they’ll grow up and have an appreciation for different languages and cultures, and won’t be arrogant enough to expect everyone else to speak their language (or to look down on them or call them rude if they don’t).
Bet you’re one of those tourists that just shouts a bit louder in English aren’t you?
Bet you’re one of those tourists that just shouts a bit louder in English aren’t you?
We never had the option much beyond learning Spanish, German or French. I think the same is true today in the English Cirriculum in the secondary schools. I think unless you are an expat kid or private school kid then maybe you have a few more learning options. If not I think it is just those 3.
Last edited by andyrebell; Feb 2nd 2020 at 11:23 am.
Feb 2nd 2020, 11:18 am
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A no-fly list means you can't get on a plane. They can't stop you from passing through immigration. Yes some Americans are on it if suspected of terrorist connections - and sometimes massive stuff-ups happen. When Ted Kennedy was still a Senator he got on it once and got blocked at an airport and had to call the Director of Homeland Security directly.