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Old Jan 31st 2017, 4:11 am
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Interesting (depressing) reading.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/30/technology/trump-h1b-visa-immigration-reform/index.html?sr=twcnni013117trump-h1b-visa-immigration-reform0145AMVODtopPhoto&linkId=33949901
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Old Jan 31st 2017, 7:29 am
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Shouldn't be a problem though, Betsy DeVos will improve the US education system so that those white kids from the rust belt states are well qualified for the high tech jobs.
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Old Jan 31st 2017, 2:41 pm
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Why is this depressing news? I've read about it at:

Trump’s Next Immigration Move to Hit Closer to Home for Tech

and frankly, it sounds like it is something that should have been done years ago.
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Why is this depressing news? ....
Everything Donald Trump proposes is necessarily "depressing".
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Given the huge amount of constant over-subscription to H-1B I do feel some amount of reform was always required - whether that would have been from Trump or Clinton.

My understanding of how it works is that a tech firm (for example) will want to fill 100 vacancies with staff sourced from overseas; so to do so they'll send out 400 job offers and then petitions, so that statistically they will meet the 100 vacancies.
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Given the huge amount of constant over-subscription to H-1B I do feel some amount of reform was always required - whether that would have been from Trump or Clinton.

My understanding of how it works is that a tech firm (for example) will want to fill 100 vacancies with staff sourced from overseas; so to do so they'll send out 400 job offers and then petitions, so that statistically they will meet the 100 vacancies.
Or they just use L-1 visas, place them in an office overseas for a few months and then bring them to the US on an L-1. Especially true for companies like TCS and iGate
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Or they just use L-1 visas, place them in an office overseas for a few twelve months plus any time they spend visiting the US since they were hired and then bring them to the US on an L-1. Especially true for companies like TCS and iGate
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Interested to see if this goes on to affect the L1 visa, which i'm currently here on.
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My understanding of how it works is that a tech firm (for example) will want to fill 100 vacancies with staff sourced from overseas; so to do so they'll send out 400 job offers and then petitions, so that statistically they will meet the 100 vacancies.
But this is what generates the over subscription. If everyone asked for what they need then there would be a lot less applications and increased chance of success. It does generate extra costs in filing all of the applications.

The bigger issue is the abuse of the system to obtain cheaper labour by using non-US workers.
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..... The bigger issue is the abuse of the system to obtain cheaper labour by using non-US workers.
Indeed, and the suggestion that it is necessary to import tens of thousands of entry level tech/coders from India every year is patronizing and insulting to US college graduates. ..... I am not saying there should be none but the scale of the numbers of H-1B visas going to tech/coders every year is mind blowing.
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The bigger issue is the abuse of the system to obtain cheaper labour by using non-US workers.
Well, you're kind of right and kind of wrong...
according to this study from UPenn Wharton school of business
The Effects of Immigration on the United States’ Economy — Penn Wharton Budget Model

"Moreover, immigrants are often imperfect substitutes for native-born workers in U.S. labor markets. That means they do not compete for the same jobs and put minimal downward pressure on natives’ wages. This might explain why competition from new immigrants has mostly affected earlier immigrants, who experienced significant reductions in wages from the surge in immigration. In contrast, studies find that immigration has actually raised average wages of native-born workers during the last few decades
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Originally Posted by Phyzz View Post
But this is what generates the over subscription. If everyone asked for what they need then there would be a lot less applications and increased chance of success. It does generate extra costs in filing all of the applications.
I agree. It's completely perpetual!
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Originally Posted by petitefrancaise View Post
Well, you're kind of right and kind of wrong...
according to this study from UPenn Wharton school of business
The Effects of Immigration on the United States’ Economy — Penn Wharton Budget Model

"Moreover, immigrants are often imperfect substitutes for native-born workers in U.S. labor markets. That means they do not compete for the same jobs and put minimal downward pressure on natives’ wages. This might explain why competition from new immigrants has mostly affected earlier immigrants, who experienced significant reductions in wages from the surge in immigration. In contrast, studies find that immigration has actually raised average wages of native-born workers during the last few decades
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I was thinking more in lines of [URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/26/us/lawsuit-claims-disney-colluded-to-replace-us-workers-with-immigrants.html?_r=0"]
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I was thinking more in lines of [URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/26/us/lawsuit-claims-disney-colluded-to-replace-us-workers-with-immigrants.html?_r=0"]
ah yes...
I've got a very unpleasant story regarding a friend of mine and their employment practices. Doesn't surprise me and I hope that they got their asses sued off about it.
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There is a gross disparity in Labour costs between the US and most other countries, how do you expect US companies to compete?

There is obviously a massive demand to bring in more cost effective labour.
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