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Shard Sep 2nd 2020 8:09 pm

Re: Spaceships and astronomy
 

Originally Posted by steveq (Post 12905020)
Except this isn't the first observation, and the observed facts fit existing theories. If you are versed in the physics, this is, yes, its tapping for the very edges of our ability to make measurements, but LIGO now is already much more sensitive than the original LIGO of a couple of years ago. Its still not at the theoretical performance limit

After the black hole impact, wouldn't there be multiple, long frequency waves? In other words, after the initial detection last year, would we not get further detections as the holes merge? Or they merge as kind of a pop ?

steveq Sep 2nd 2020 8:23 pm

Re: Spaceships and astronomy
 
No, the waves are emitted as large masses rotate very rapidly in the final moments, then, once the merger has happened, the motion ceases. Yes, theoretically there will be some disturbance, but the current instruments have a limited band of frequencies they can actually detect.


Here you can HEAR the result of the collision. Bear in mind, these are things 50x more massive than the sun, rotating at hundreds of times a second, just before the collision, and they get faster and faster until they merge


Shard Sep 2nd 2020 8:30 pm

Re: Spaceships and astronomy
 

Originally Posted by steveq (Post 12905029)
No, the waves are emitted as large masses rotate very rapidly in the final moments, then, once the merger has happened, the motion ceases. Yes, theoretically there will be some disturbance, but the current instruments have a limited band of frequencies they can actually detect.

https://www.youtube.com/6watch?v=JKBBVgR991s

Here you can HEAR the result of the collision. Bear in mind, these are things 50x more massive than the sun, rotating at hundreds of times a second, just before the collision, and they get faster and faster until they merge

So that blip we hear on the model, how much time does it represent? Presumably the merger and resulting disturbance was not just the split second that we hear on the audio?

Pulaski Sep 2nd 2020 8:45 pm

Re: Spaceships and astronomy
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12905023)
Or they merge as kind of a pop ?

Yeah, it happens that quickly. When your mass is 140 times the mass of the sun there is a lot of gravity involved that makes things happen very quickly

steveq Sep 2nd 2020 9:13 pm

Re: Spaceships and astronomy
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12905037)
So that blip we hear on the model, how much time does it represent?

The unmodified version of what is detected is the first sample in the little video, it really only lasts for a second or two. The detector can't "hear" signals below about 30Hz, which is a very deep tone for us, and likewise it can't hear above about 7kHz. So these two massive objects spin around each other at less than 20 times a second, we can't hear them, and if they go more than 10,000 times per second we can't hear them either.....

steveq Sep 2nd 2020 9:21 pm

Re: Spaceships and astronomy
 
I have had the very great honour of talking with and shaking the hand of Professor Barry Barish, co winner of the Nobel for Ligo.

Shard Sep 2nd 2020 9:27 pm

Re: Spaceships and astronomy
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12905049)
Yeah, it happens that quickly. When your mass is 140 times the mass of the sun there is a lot of gravity involved that makes things happen very quickly

Difficult for my primitive ape brain to comprehend, but perhaps that's the case. I suppose the whole universe did start in less than an instant.

Shard Sep 2nd 2020 9:31 pm

Re: Spaceships and astronomy
 

Originally Posted by steveq (Post 12905066)
I have had the very great honour of talking with and shaking the hand of Professor Barry Barish, co winner of the Nobel for Ligo.

​​​​​​It's always great to meet those whom you admire.

Pulaski Sep 2nd 2020 9:42 pm

Re: Spaceships and astronomy
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12905069)
Difficult for my primitive ape brain to comprehend,

Hmmm. [Mulling over previous exchange.] :unsure:

but perhaps that's the case. I suppose the whole universe did start in less than an instant.
Well bear in mind that the black hole has all its mass concentrated at a singularity (point of zero volume), so its not like the two event horizons are in any way representative of an amount of matter that needs to merge.

The event horizon of the black hole is just a "light vacuum" (volume of space from which light cannot escape). So a black hole of 70 solar masses would have an event horizon diamter of about 250 miles, but two black holes of that size (of event horizon) will merge in the blink of an eye as the two singularities merge.

Shard Sep 2nd 2020 10:58 pm

Re: Spaceships and astronomy
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12905079)
Hmmm. [[i]Mulling over previous exchange.] :unsure:

Well bear in mind that the black hole has all its mass concentrated at a singularity (point of zero volume), so its not like the two event horizons are in any way representative of an amount of matter that needs to merge.

The event horizon of the black hole is just a "light vacuum" (volume of space from which light cannot escape). So a black hole of 70 solar masses would have an event horizon diamter of about 250 miles, but two black holes of that size (of event horizon) will merge in the blink of an eye as the two singularities merge.

That's a very good point. (The second one.)

lizzyq Oct 2nd 2020 4:53 pm

Re: Spaceships and astronomy
 
Nasa go catches up with the fact that women have different plumbing: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54387288

steveq Oct 2nd 2020 4:59 pm

Re: Spaceships and astronomy
 

Originally Posted by lizzyq (Post 12917530)
Nasa go catches up with the fact that women have different plumbing: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54387288

No, the current system was unisex, the new system is just better. It has a tighter seal to the parts that matter.

Pulaski Oct 4th 2020 10:04 pm

Re: Spaceships and astronomy
 

Originally Posted by steveq (Post 12917533)
No, the current system was unisex, the new system is just better. It has a tighter seal to the parts that matter.

So NASA spent $23million on a better gasket? :rofl:

Pulaski Nov 30th 2020 10:30 pm

Re: Spaceships and astronomy
 
We all know that space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly hugely mind-bogglingly big it is.

But it see
ms that that there are vastly more galaxies in it than the figures that have been thrown about over the past 20-30 years. :blink:


Hiro11 Nov 30th 2020 11:35 pm

Re: Spaceships and astronomy
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12941545)
We all know that space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly hugely mind-bogglingly big it is.

But it see
ms that that there are vastly more galaxies in it than the figures that have been thrown about over the past 20-30 years. :blink:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFFS8cewBCU

To me, this is what's so incredible about the Hubble Ultra Deep Field image: you're not only seeing how many galaxies there are in a "dark" area of the sky, you're also looking billions of years back into the past. Trillions of galaxies, all with the mass of hundreds of billions of suns. Then there's dark matter and dark energy...

The Roman Space Telescope is about to change astronomy to the same degree that Hubble did decades ago. The Roman will be able to do the equivalent of fifty years of Hubble observations in one year.:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_...pace_Telescope


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