Spaceships and astronomy
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#303
Re: Spaceships and astronomy
That is a very cool paper weight.
Was listening to Brian Cox the other day and he was saying that the universe is essentially "flat" (I think). Does anyone know anything about that? I always assumed it would be in some way spherical. With us at the epicentre*.
* Just kidding on that last sentence.
Was listening to Brian Cox the other day and he was saying that the universe is essentially "flat" (I think). Does anyone know anything about that? I always assumed it would be in some way spherical. With us at the epicentre*.
* Just kidding on that last sentence.
#304
Re: Spaceships and astronomy
That is a very cool paper weight.
Was listening to Brian Cox the other day and he was saying that the universe is essentially "flat" (I think). Does anyone know anything about that? I always assumed it would be in some way spherical. With us at the epicentre*.
* Just kidding on that last sentence.
Was listening to Brian Cox the other day and he was saying that the universe is essentially "flat" (I think). Does anyone know anything about that? I always assumed it would be in some way spherical. With us at the epicentre*.
* Just kidding on that last sentence.
The other thing which has helped me understand and visualize the "shape" of the universe is to think of space as analogous to the surface of a balloon, where everything moves away from everything else as the balloon inflates. The image of an expanding balloon also lends itself to visualizing an allegory of how there isn't a "centre" of the universe away from which everything is expanding.
Last edited by Pulaski; Feb 19th 2019 at 7:04 pm.
#305
Re: Spaceships and astronomy
"Flat" in the context of astrophysics just means everything is, more less, evenly distributed in all directions.
The other thing which has helped me understand and visualize the "shape" of the universe is to think of space as analogous to the surface of a balloon, where everything moves away from everything else as the balloon inflates. The image of an expanding balloon also lends itself to visualizing an allegory of how there isn't a "centre" of the universe away from which everything is expanding.
The other thing which has helped me understand and visualize the "shape" of the universe is to think of space as analogous to the surface of a balloon, where everything moves away from everything else as the balloon inflates. The image of an expanding balloon also lends itself to visualizing an allegory of how there isn't a "centre" of the universe away from which everything is expanding.
Maybe "flat" is the wrong word to describe "even distribution in all directions"?
Basically, I don't geddit...
I can imagine a "sheet" (plane) that expands with no specific center, but that would be relatively "flat" and then I would wonder why does it need to be 2 dimensional ?
Last edited by Shard; Feb 19th 2019 at 7:03 pm.
#306
Re: Spaceships and astronomy
It's related to special relativity, topology, space time curvature, (what we normally consider spherical/curved), and mass density.
Not really 'flat' as we normally use the term, more of a condition of the universe.
Not really 'flat' as we normally use the term, more of a condition of the universe.
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Re: Spaceships and astronomy
Agreed, but it is a model to help explain in a way we can easily relate to how three dimensional space appears to be stretching/ expanding. The surface of a balloon is effectively an expanding two dimensional surface (yes, I know a balloon has three dimensions), and it is not easy to visualize an expanding/ stretching volume of space.
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Re: Spaceships and astronomy
I was disappointed by the "first picture of a black hole". Despite much apparent excitement in the astronomical community, and several petabytes of data, it was, IMO, nothing more than an orange smudge.
I presume that at that distance stars are usually no more than points of light when viewed from Earth, so to create an image with such width is a technological achievment, but the results are underwhelming.
I presume that at that distance stars are usually no more than points of light when viewed from Earth, so to create an image with such width is a technological achievment, but the results are underwhelming.
#313
Re: Spaceships and astronomy
I was disappointed by the "first picture of a black hole". Despite much apparent excitement in the astronomical community, and several petabytes of data, it was, IMO, nothing more than an orange smudge.
I presume that at that distance stars are usually no more than points of light when viewed from Earth, so to create an image with such width is a technological achievment, but the results are underwhelming.
I presume that at that distance stars are usually no more than points of light when viewed from Earth, so to create an image with such width is a technological achievment, but the results are underwhelming.
and black holes are ipso facto, invisible, so you can't see them in visible light. This "image" was taken with radio telescopes all around the earth and added together with an incredible amount of v computer power to get even this - a technique you can't employ with optical scopes on a large scale, making the imaging telescope 8000 miles in diameter.
It is a technical tour de force, that we have an image, and that the physical reality matches the theory did closely. The brightening at the bottom is predicted by relativity.
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Re: Spaceships and astronomy
The balloon seems de facto spherical to me.
Maybe "flat" is the wrong word to describe "even distribution in all directions"?
Basically, I don't geddit...
I can imagine a "sheet" (plane) that expands with no specific center, but that would be relatively "flat" and then I would wonder why does it need to be 2 dimensional ?
Maybe "flat" is the wrong word to describe "even distribution in all directions"?
Basically, I don't geddit...
I can imagine a "sheet" (plane) that expands with no specific center, but that would be relatively "flat" and then I would wonder why does it need to be 2 dimensional ?
Take a sheet of paper. Draw a triangle on it, using straight edges and stuff. The internal angles add up to 180 degrees.
Now wrap that paper around a large toilet roll. The paper seems curved, but the angles of the triangle drawn on it still add up to 180 degrees. It's flat.
Draw a triangle on the surface of a smooth sphere. The internal angles of that triangle will add up to more than 180 degrees. Not flat.
I think that's it.
I could be wrong. I'moften a figment of mu own imagination - never somebody else's...
#315
Re: Spaceships and astronomy
I was going to sketch this, but the best explanation I've found that I can point you at is Laurence Krauss' book
https://www.amazon.com/Universe-Nothing-There-Something-Rather/dp/1451624468
https://www.amazon.com/Universe-Nothing-There-Something-Rather/dp/1451624468