SHOCK! general election June 8th
#31
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Re: SHOCK! general election June 8th
Yes, this seems accurate, I'd more or less agree with what you say. (Apart from the relentless trash-talk style that you favour.)
But the point is, how will these honest labour supporters react? Stay home because they are resigned to a bad result? Redouble their canvassing efforts etc. because they know it's an uphill struggle? Vote tactically, depending on the situation in their particular constituency?
I personally don't see why a labour voter wouldn't work hard for a labour victory, just because they don't like the current parliamentary leader. Their motivation should depend more on their own MP or labour candidate.
But the point is, how will these honest labour supporters react? Stay home because they are resigned to a bad result? Redouble their canvassing efforts etc. because they know it's an uphill struggle? Vote tactically, depending on the situation in their particular constituency?
I personally don't see why a labour voter wouldn't work hard for a labour victory, just because they don't like the current parliamentary leader. Their motivation should depend more on their own MP or labour candidate.
What the hard line corbynites in their little bubble refuse to accept is that they only represent approximately 300,000 labour party members - out of an electorate of 10s of millions.
It seems the labour party membership (& the greens, lib dems, plaid cymru etc) are going to come together to try & defeat May, largely in an attempt to prevent Brexit. But I think that will backfire. A) theyre going to all gang up on the tories in order to block the democratically expressed will of the people ? Good luck with that one.
And B) the tories enjoy boundary & demographic benefits giving them a big advantage - without winning scotland labour don't have much chance - apparently. But then again, that's kind of what they said about clinton last year - & look what happened there.
Sorry about the relentless trash talk, but most of my active friends on other social media are die hard lefty posers & so I have had to endure years of sanctimonious lectures in quietly seething silence. I'll lay off Corbyn now. It's too easy.
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Re: SHOCK! general election June 8th
The last government changed the rules so that a government can't call an election just because the polls are in their favor, without the approval of 2/3rds of Parliament, so I completely agree with you.
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Re: SHOCK! general election June 8th
Corbyn has said he will be staying on no matter how bad the result.
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Re: SHOCK! general election June 8th
The thinking over here is that the SNP are going to lose some seats in Scotland, apparently only about 30% are currently in favour of a referendum. Worse still, they're saying they're going to lose them to the Conservatives
Anything that quietens that godawful woman suits me!
Anything that quietens that godawful woman suits me!
#36
Re: SHOCK! general election June 8th
Anything that quietens that godawful woman suits me!
I don't know what it is about Scottish politics that has produced such strong women leaders - I even like Ruth Davidson, who appears to be from the saner end of the Tory party. It's obvious that she will be emphasising the full name of the Conservative and Unionist party in upcoming debates.
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Re: SHOCK! general election June 8th
Given how many seats the SNP holds, there is only one way for their number of seats to go, I think everyone accepts that.
What's wrong with her? That she's a nationalist, Scottish or a woman? I'm not Scottish, but I admire the way she sticks up for the people she represents, and if the SNP extended it's range I'd happily vote for her if she'd take the north of england with scotland when it parts with the rUK.
I don't know what it is about Scottish politics that has produced such strong women leaders - I even like Ruth Davidson, who appears to be from the saner end of the Tory party. It's obvious that she will be emphasising the full name of the Conservative and Unionist party in upcoming debates.
What's wrong with her? That she's a nationalist, Scottish or a woman? I'm not Scottish, but I admire the way she sticks up for the people she represents, and if the SNP extended it's range I'd happily vote for her if she'd take the north of england with scotland when it parts with the rUK.
I don't know what it is about Scottish politics that has produced such strong women leaders - I even like Ruth Davidson, who appears to be from the saner end of the Tory party. It's obvious that she will be emphasising the full name of the Conservative and Unionist party in upcoming debates.
Makes me wonder if the SNP power would fade if Sturgeon wasn't the party leader.
In this election, it's certainly possible that labour and tories will pick up a handful of seats in Scotland, simply because last election was a high water mark for the SNP.
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Re: SHOCK! general election June 8th
Given how many seats the SNP holds, there is only one way for their number of seats to go, I think everyone accepts that.
What's wrong with her? That she's a nationalist, Scottish or a woman? I'm not Scottish, but I admire the way she sticks up for the people she represents, and if the SNP extended it's range I'd happily vote for her if she'd take the north of england with scotland when it parts with the rUK.
I don't know what it is about Scottish politics that has produced such strong women leaders - I even like Ruth Davidson, who appears to be from the saner end of the Tory party. It's obvious that she will be emphasising the full name of the Conservative and Unionist party in upcoming debates.
What's wrong with her? That she's a nationalist, Scottish or a woman? I'm not Scottish, but I admire the way she sticks up for the people she represents, and if the SNP extended it's range I'd happily vote for her if she'd take the north of england with scotland when it parts with the rUK.
I don't know what it is about Scottish politics that has produced such strong women leaders - I even like Ruth Davidson, who appears to be from the saner end of the Tory party. It's obvious that she will be emphasising the full name of the Conservative and Unionist party in upcoming debates.
Why on earth would you want the North of England to go with Scotland??
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Re: SHOCK! general election June 8th
Why on earth would you want the North of England to go with Scotland??
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i suspect if you lived in Scotland, you know, where she actually governs, you would see that Indyref2 isn't as important as the day to day running of the country that she leads. The rest of us only see the referendum stuff because that's the only thing she does that impacts rUK.
because we have more in common with the Scots in terms of infrastructure and investment issue, and they appear to give a stuff about the people they represent. Westminster doesn't give a shiny shit about northern England or Scotland.
because we have more in common with the Scots in terms of infrastructure and investment issue, and they appear to give a stuff about the people they represent. Westminster doesn't give a shiny shit about northern England or Scotland.
I can agree somewhat about the Westminster not caring about the North but I, too am from Yorkshire and the last thing I would want is to be lumped in with Scotland