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Old May 6th 2016, 1:39 pm
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Not if I tell her that all blokes have super-AIDS, she won't
Ok, so maybe she'll be into chicks then.
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Ok, so maybe she'll be into chicks then.
That's OK.
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So, a couple of weeks ago, eldest (who is at university near me) said that her room-mate was worried she was pregnant. Eldest quickly got her a pregnancy test and apparently on the way to getting it told her friend "don't worry because if you are pregnant then my mum will help sort you out" Oh dear god, I missed a bullet there.
Anyway, the dr apparently talked her into using birth control. I kid you not. An honors student from a Texas catholic family.

There's been an outbreak of syphillis amongst the students in Lubbock. Apart from taking drugs I don't think the poor kids there have anything else to do so let's hope the drs are instructing them in the use of condoms.
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Originally Posted by dc koop
Why would anyone expect schools to teach about sex? What are parents for ?
You have an amazing confidence in the knowledge and abilities of the public. the absurd number of myths (you can't get pregnant your first time, you can't get pregnant standing up, sex with a virgin cures AIDS, condoms cause STDs, etc) shows that your confidence is misplaced.
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... sex with a virgin cures AIDS ...
OK, who was the desperate little neckbeard who came up with that one in a last-ditch attempt to get laid?
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Originally Posted by Anian
You have an amazing confidence in the knowledge and abilities of the public. the absurd number of myths (you can't get pregnant your first time, you can't get pregnant standing up, sex with a virgin cures AIDS, condoms cause STDs, etc) shows that your confidence is misplaced.
Even parents who don't peddle nonsense like this are likely to still only talk about contraception in terms of 'condoms' and 'the Pill' from their early adulthood, when there are far more effective options available nowadays.
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OK, who was the desperate little neckbeard who came up with that one in a last-ditch attempt to get laid?
You build up an immunity.
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Originally Posted by kodokan
Even parents who don't peddle nonsense like this are likely to still only talk about contraception in terms of 'condoms' and 'the Pill' from their early adulthood, when there are far more effective options available nowadays.
Johnnies are pretty foolproof though, in fairness. Slap one on and go to town, provided it doesn't burst or fall off, you're in business.

But there are cheaper and more effective ways. For example, marriage ...

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You build up an immunity.
Using the word 'immunity' in and AIDS joke? That's so dark, Chicago PD just showed up and shot it in the back.
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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing
Johnnies are pretty foolproof though, in fairness. Slap one on and go to town, provided it doesn't burst or fall off, you're in business.
Not really - they're only 98% effective in an ideal world, which isn't the one teens live in. Typical usage is 82% effective:
Contraception: Success and Failure Rates of Contraceptives | Center for Young Women's Health

My vote is for implantables - can't forget to take it, or throw it up by accident, or accidentally counter it with antibiotics. And then condoms for anti-disease.
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Originally Posted by dc koop
Teaching sex in schools raises too much controversy. Some parents would approve but there are other parents who would think it wrong. Therefore since it's impossible to please everyone the subject is better off being handled or not handled by the parents. Same goes for religion but religion is not taught in American public schools anyway.

In short sex and religion belong at home while academic subjects belong in school
BO**CKS, if that was the case a huge nymber of children would grow up with no sex education at all, the majority of parents don't think it's 'nice' to talk about such things and kids would grow up with only the knowledge of what their parent/s feel is 'right', so they go out into the big wide world with flawed knowledge, this may be exacerbated even more by the fact that many children are growing up in a family where they may not be the biological offspring of both parents, and in that case they may not feel it appropriate for the non biological parent to teach the step-child about sex. A huge percentage of parents will NOT teach their children about same sex relationships as they themselves do not approve, parents do tend to pass down to their children the prejudices they were taught and grew up with. Religion is the same, you would not expect a staunch catholic parent to teach their child about other religions, or a staunch muslim to do the same, but children should be taught about other religions otherwise they grow up with predjucial views
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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing
OK, who was the desperate little neckbeard who came up with that one in a last-ditch attempt to get laid?
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You build up an immunity.
South African government and some myths:
BBC NEWS | Africa | SA's Zuma 'showered to avoid HIV'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manto_Tshabalala-Msimang

South African men rape babies as 'cure' for Aids - Telegraph
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Originally Posted by kodokan
Just on the off-chance you're not spoofing us...

- it's not the job of schools to avoid controversy and please everyone. Lots of people think any level of math above 6th grade arithmetic is pointless (with an insidious number of them being the parents of girls). Many people proudly declare how they haven't picked up a book since they left school 20 years ago. A sizeable number of Americans view the slightest hint of intellectualism or signs of being 'bookish' or academic as something to disparage. I propose not asking the masses what they want from a school system, because we'll otherwise be back to the days of just reading, 'riting, and 'rithmatic, and finishing school before your teens.

- religion is taught in public schools. My kids' middle schools in OH and even in the heartland of Mormon AZ have included a unit on comparative world religions. My son recounts how it was total news to a couple of kids in his class that there even WERE any religions other than Christianity and 'Muslim' (equated with 'Terrorist') let alone knowing anything about their beliefs, customs, etc.

- out of all the possible subjects to drop and leave to the whims of parental instruction, let's NOT make it sex ed. After all, nobody else is going to be especially damaged by your kids not knowing the Periodic Table or the finer details of the Monroe Doctrine; does it really matter to anyone other than them if they've read To Kill A Mockingbird? But if their ignorance leads to unplanned pregnancy and the spreading of disease - we're all on the hook for THAT problem.
You seem to be getting confused differentiating between what's called here in the US as "social studies" (the awareness of other religions AND cultures) and "religious instruction" (the teaching of the bible and Jesus Christ). The latter is not taught in American public schools. As far as I know separation of church and state is the reason for this.

As for sexual education I'll say again that it's more the responsibility of parents to educate their kids on this subject. It's bad enough already that too many parents think that schools should be responsible for teaching kids good manners and behavior,
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Originally Posted by dc koop
As for sexual education I'll say again that it's more the responsibility of parents to educate their kids on this subject. It's bad enough already that too many parents think that schools should be responsible for teaching kids good manners and behavior,
Why do you think it's the parent's responsibility? you've not addressed any of kokokan's points apart from nit-picking on the definition of 'teaching religion'
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Not really - they're only 98% effective in an ideal world, which isn't the one teens live in. Typical usage is 82% effective:
Contraception: Success and Failure Rates of Contraceptives | Center for Young Women's Health

My vote is for implantables - can't forget to take it, or throw it up by accident, or accidentally counter it with antibiotics. And then condoms for anti-disease.
Typical usage is correcting for those times when they thought they'd get away with not using one, isn't it? Not many people realise how close to their period it's possible to get pregnant. There's nothing worse than the trip to the chemist for the pregnancy test because your wife's a week late and you had that one sneaky unbagged shag 3 weeks ago.

Luckily our daughter was planned, so at least for us, condoms are 100%. I get that combined methods are the best for those not in a position to be able to deal with having children, of course.

Personally I can't wait to get fixed. Since we don't have to worry about disease, I can finally get rid of my rubbers
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Another issue that I have talked about with my son recently...
HPV vaccinations. Eldest daughter received the vaccinations in France at age 13, France has since decided to offer the vaccine to boys - why they didn't do this right from the start is beyond me. Som has agreed that he should get the vaccine too.

In light of recent research (Gender differences in risk factors and natural history of oral human papillomavirus (HPV) infection) showing that throat cancers are on the increase amongst men due to oral sex.

enjoy your toast and coffee!
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