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Old Jan 23rd 2014, 5:36 pm
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Originally Posted by Boiler
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Being realistic the system nearly fell over a year or so ago and with the closing of coal plants it is just a matter of time before it does happen.

Quite what happens when we add in all the electric cars that are replacing petrol engines is another issue.
Are you talking US or UK?

Regarding electric cars - won't most charging occur at night, during off-peak times? The 'risk' element of power generation pertains to peak demand periods only. Plugging cars in overnight would seem to be in everyone's interest.
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Old Jan 23rd 2014, 5:59 pm
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Originally Posted by Mr Weeze
So you're telling me a verdict in the US has a bearing on Scottish law? Are you in Colorado by any chance?
Florida, formerly California.
McCulloch v. Maryland is a good read, a good discussion of the implications of holding the power to tax.
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Originally Posted by Steerpike
Regarding electric cars - won't most charging occur ... during off-peak times? ...
It certainly should. In fact the charging circuits should be designed to turn themselves off when the frequency on the grid falls by some very tiny amount as a cycle is lost over time (which as a practical matter signals that the entire system is in distress).
But getting by and operating without symptom using a system with even less marginal surplus is very much a double edged sword over the long run.
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Old Jan 23rd 2014, 6:14 pm
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..... McCulloch v. Maryland is a good read, a good discussion of the implications of holding the power to tax.
You should get out more.
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Old Jan 23rd 2014, 6:36 pm
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Originally Posted by Steerpike
Are you talking US or UK?

Regarding electric cars - won't most charging occur at night, during off-peak times? The 'risk' element of power generation pertains to peak demand periods only. Plugging cars in overnight would seem to be in everyone's interest.
UK

The sun does not shine at night seems to be one issue.
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Old Jan 23rd 2014, 7:02 pm
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Originally Posted by Boiler
The sun does not shine at night seems to be one issue.
Solution: emigrate to Australia.

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Old Jan 23rd 2014, 7:17 pm
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Very helpful.

Or have a very long extension cable?
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Old Jan 23rd 2014, 7:21 pm
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Originally Posted by Boiler
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The sun does not shine at night seems to be one issue.
There are many ways of storing excess electricity produced during the day.
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Old Jan 23rd 2014, 7:23 pm
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You can pump water up hill, not that efficient.

Batteries, well not so much.

What else?
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Old Jan 23rd 2014, 7:28 pm
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Originally Posted by sir_eccles
There are not many ways of storing excess electricity produced during the day.
FIFY

The main, and by far the most efficient solution is to move demand, not production. While large numbers of plug in electric cars will create a number of problems, if the chargers are "smart" and preferentially charge when demand is generally low, and cut out entirely if demand is very high, the car charging activities could be used as a large "counterbalance", to even out the peaks in troughs in demand, and enable a larger, more efficient base generation level.

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Originally Posted by Pulaski
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The main, and by far the most efficient solution is to move demand, not production.
True. But maybe not the most practical.

Living in Colorado you could say the same about water.
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Old Jan 23rd 2014, 7:32 pm
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Originally Posted by Boiler
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The sun does not shine at night seems to be one issue.
Fair enough, but - daytime demand is double nighttime demand, at least according to this page for California.

Their daily use profile chart:


Since the contribution of Solar is miniscule (<1%), I don't think the lack of sunshine at night is going to affect anything anytime soon! Source ... extract "Today, solar energy provides two-tenths of 1 percent of the total energy consumed in the United States"
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This new RPS preempts the California Air Resources Board's 33 percent Renewable Electricity Standard and applies to all electricity retailers in the state including publicly owned utilities, investor-owned utilities, electricity service providers, and community choice aggregators. All of these entities must adopt the new RPS goals of 20 percent of retails sales from renewables by the end of 2013, 25 percent by the end of 2016, and the 33 percent requirement being met by the end of 2020.
I was looking at the UK but seems the CA figures will be fairly high.
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Originally Posted by Boiler
You can pump water up hill, not that efficient.

Batteries, well not so much.

What else?
Molten salt seems a popular research field right now.
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Originally Posted by Steerpike
Fair enough, but - daytime demand is double nighttime demand, at least according to this page for California.

Their daily use profile chart:
http://www.mpoweruk.com/images/elec_load_demand.gif

Since the contribution of Solar is miniscule (<1%), I don't think the lack of sunshine at night is going to affect anything anytime soon! Source ... extract "Today, solar energy provides two-tenths of 1 percent of the total energy consumed in the United States"
I'd never thought about this before, but encouraging people to install solar systems could shave a good bit of the peak off the domestic demand curve because AC is the biggest driver of domestic electricity usage.
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