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Old Sep 30th 2014, 7:12 pm
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Originally Posted by Yorkieabroad
Don't know who/what ATOS is? Googled them but came up with a French IT services company...It was (presumably) the DHSS or whoever administered disability benefits at that time
This there website.
Clinical Jobs in Disability Assessment - Doctors and Nurses - Atos Healthcare
Im unsure if they are still contracted by the DHSS.There was a big stink in Scotland about them,they were telling new recuits to reject all applicants regardless if they were fit for work or not.This was in the last year so I dont know if they were doing this nonsense 4yrs ago.
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Old Oct 1st 2014, 7:35 am
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Originally Posted by neilcumming
Maggies great monetarism plan to keep inflation down was to have as many people unemployed as possible .Her idea was if so many millions of people didnt have money to spend then inflation wouldnt rise.Now in the UK the children of those people thrown on the scrap heap have grown up on welfare benefits having learnt from their parents how to work the system.
She failed pretty miserably then: unemployment was less than 2% higher when she left office than when she arrived.

You decry - and blame government - for a cycle of welfare dependency, but then also decry attempts to alter the welfare system so that such dependency is less possible....
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At the risk of sounding like a hippy, the frustrating thing is that we should be getting on with things and moving forward now, getting mired in these old arguments is an unfortunate side-effect of nationalism. A cartel of Tory overlords has not got its boot on the neck of the country; I am not a fan of theirs but come on, let's be realistic, there are areas which could benefit from reform. If Labour attempts to do the same, they are decried as class traitors and vilified even more. Life ain't so bad for most people in the United Kingdom, why not build on what we have instead of trying to tear it down all the time?
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Originally Posted by Sally Redux
...... Life ain't so bad for most people in the United Kingdom, why not build on what we have instead of trying to tear it down all the time?
You're beginning to sound like someone that I'd vote for.

And when did suggesting that those who are able should contribute to the society in which they live become a class issue anyway?

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Old Oct 1st 2014, 12:30 pm
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
You're beginning to sound like someone that I'd vote for.
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
You're beginning to sound like someone that I'd vote for.

And when did suggesting that those who are able should contribute to the society in which they live become a class issue anyway?
The original architects of the welfare state did not intend it to be a blagging exercise.
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Blagging well I can remember complaints all the way back to the 60's.

I do not see how it can be sustained. Hardly new, Romans did the same sort of the thing.
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Old Nov 5th 2014, 5:14 pm
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Some Scots have no sense of humour.

Guy Fawks Night celebration.
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
Some Scots have no sense of humour.

Guy Fawks Night celebration.
Absolutely disgraceful!What has Nessie done to deserve this!?
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Old Nov 14th 2014, 2:51 pm
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Do you have to have a name like a fish to lead the SNP?
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
Do you have to have a name like a fish to lead the SNP?
No, but it helps

Anything else is a leap in the dark...
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So I'm guessing Scots made a huge gamble that the Labour party would win enough seats to gorm a coalition government with the SNP.

That plan doesn't appear to have worked out too well!
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Old May 8th 2015, 6:13 am
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
So I'm guessing Scots made a huge gamble that the Labour party would win enough seats to gorm a coalition government with the SNP.
I don't understand how you came to the conclusion that there was a "huge gamble" involved. Whatever happened in Scotland it was always going to be how well Labour did in the rest of the UK that would determine whether or not they had a chance of forming a government so, from that perspective it made no difference how many of the Scottish seats ended up as Labour or SNP except, of course, that the more SNP seats there were the more leverage they would have had if they did end up in a coalition with Labour.
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from watching the news here, (which I know is bias) it seems the Tories decided they were no longer going to win in Scotland so it you intended to vote Tory which would be a wasted vote, they were told to tick SNP instead and in the meantime, the Tories put the fear of god into English voters that if Labour became a minority government, they would be governed by that Marxist leader in Scotland. I suspect a lot of the disenchanted liberal supporters voter Tory (so called shy Tories) Nicola Sturgeon encouraged this idea saying she would only form a coalition with Labour if she could dictate the budget. Both parties 'won' but the biggest winner has been David Cameron as he now has absolute power and can afford to ignore the Scots on most of their demands but giving enough lip service to keep the SNP going. Should be an interesting 5 yrs
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Originally Posted by jjmb
Both parties [Con & Lab] 'won' but the biggest winner has been David Cameron as he now has absolute power and can afford to ignore the Scots on most of their demands but giving enough lip service to keep the SNP going. Should be an interesting 5 yrs
I don't think Cameron can afford to ignore the Scots on any major point. A lot of Scots believe (and they may well be justified in believing) that the recent referendum was stolen and that the majority favoured independence. They will factor that belief into all their negotiations with Cameron. (Of course it will only need a false-flag "terrorist" attack in Scotland to pull them all back into line, but even so...)
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