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Old Sep 19th 2014, 11:45 pm
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Originally Posted by RoadWarriorFromLP View Post
I don't see what's odd or sad about that. A significant minority of the population voted in favor of this.

Is that sentiment just going to disappear overnight? If it isn't (and I presume that it won't), then where is it going to take them next?
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A significant majority of a very high turnout voted "No." I assume the Scottish electorate are democratic enough and mature enough to respect that, and move forward with positive proposals for devolution, hopefully applied more equally to all four countries in the Union.
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Old Sep 20th 2014, 3:35 am
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Originally Posted by robin1234 View Post
Attributing "if you think this, then you are deluding yourself" to BE members who have posted comments on this thread. I don't see a lot of delusionals on this thread, mostly thoughtful people with constructive comments .. Also the odd joke and less than serious take on the issue at hand.

A significant majority of a very high turnout voted "No." I assume the Scottish electorate are democratic enough and mature enough to respect that, and move forward with positive proposals for devolution, hopefully applied more equally to all four countries in the Union.
I would expect it to be more akin to the Quebec situation: a PITA that is used inappropriately for political leverage.
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Old Sep 20th 2014, 4:06 am
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Default Re: the Scottish independence issue

Originally Posted by RoadWarriorFromLP View Post
I would expect it to be more akin to the Quebec situation: a PITA that is used inappropriately for political leverage.
Well, Quebec has been simple compared to the UK conundrum, since Quebec is one province in a Federation. In the UK they didn't create the federation yet. In hindsight, the British maybe should not have gone down the devolution route at all.

When Scotland and England originally created the union, both parties seemed happy with a united parliament.
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Originally Posted by robin1234 View Post
..... When Scotland and England originally created the union, both parties seemed happy with a united parliament.
Ireland did too, for over 100 years. Then some of them changed their mind.
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Old Sep 20th 2014, 8:00 am
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lets.look on ,the bright.side;no more. oddly punctuated .posts from, Neilcumming!

If he'd only explained what impediment was causing this, I could cope, but without any explanation, my brain was all set to explode!
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Originally Posted by Steerpike View Post
lets.look on ,the bright.side;no more. oddly punctuated .posts from, Neilcumming!

If he'd only explained what impediment was causing this, I could cope, but without any explanation, my brain was all set to explode!
There was a post from that
fuchs fellow the other
day and the weird
thing was I could understand it very
strange it was like I'd got a Babel
fish just for a minute.
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Originally Posted by Sally Redux View Post
There was a post from that
fuchs fellow the other
day and the weird
thing was I could understand it very
strange it was like I'd got a Babel
fish just for a minute.
42...duh...
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Originally Posted by Steerpike View Post
lets.look on ,the bright.side;no more. oddly punctuated .posts from, Neilcumming!

If he'd only explained what impediment was causing this, I could cope, but without any explanation, my brain was all set to explode!
He was basically disconnected. He never actually replied or responded, just shot off random effusions. I blame it on those little phone-type devices the young people seem to carry everywhere these days.
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The Battle for Scotland is over....the Battle for ENGLAND is about to begin.....so, tin hats at the ready everyone.....prepare to take cover.....things could get hairy and scary....but keep calm and carry on.............and watch this space.
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Let's see if they can deliver the new deal promised in "The Vow". I suspect not.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/po...d-nick-4265992
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Did the rally happen?
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Old Sep 20th 2014, 5:31 pm
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Default Re: the Scottish independence issue

Originally Posted by robin1234 View Post
Well, Quebec has been simple compared to the UK conundrum, since Quebec is one province in a Federation. In the UK they didn't create the federation yet. In hindsight, the British maybe should not have gone down the devolution route at all.

When Scotland and England originally created the union, both parties seemed happy with a united parliament.
The issue isn't so much about the specific affiliation between the big entity and the would-be breakaway, but with the disruption that comes from dredging it up and hashing it out.

It's like having a partner who always threatens divorce but doesn't leave or a wing of the Congress who constantly threatens impeachment when there's no chance of removing the president. It's about creating drama for the sake of taking power inappropriately.

Specific to Scotland, it's also telling that they made some fairly obvious efforts to skew the vote (the teen voters and exclusion of Scots who live in the UK outside of Scotland). And the idea that something of that magnitude could be decided by a simple majority instead of a supermajority is a bit hard to fathom, frankly; that's too important a decision to be made without greater consensus, in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by RoadWarriorFromLP View Post
The issue isn't so much about the specific affiliation between the big entity and the would-be breakaway, but with the disruption that comes from dredging it up and hashing it out.

It's like having a partner who always threatens divorce but doesn't leave or a wing of the Congress who constantly threatens impeachment when there's no chance of removing the president. It's about creating drama for the sake of taking power inappropriately.

Specific to Scotland, it's also telling that they made some fairly obvious efforts to skew the vote (the teen voters and exclusion of Scots who live in the UK outside of Scotland). And the idea that something of that magnitude could be decided by a simple majority instead of a supermajority is a bit hard to fathom, frankly; that's too important a decision to be made without greater consensus, in my opinion.
A post of yours I actually agree with, from start to finish. Strange times indeed!
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Originally Posted by RoadWarriorFromLP View Post
The issue isn't so much about the specific affiliation between the big entity and the would-be breakaway, but with the disruption that comes from dredging it up and hashing it out.

It's like having a partner who always threatens divorce but doesn't leave or a wing of the Congress who constantly threatens impeachment when there's no chance of removing the president. It's about creating drama for the sake of taking power inappropriately.

Specific to Scotland, it's also telling that they made some fairly obvious efforts to skew the vote (the teen voters and exclusion of Scots who live in the UK outside of Scotland). And the idea that something of that magnitude could be decided by a simple majority instead of a supermajority is a bit hard to fathom, frankly; that's too important a decision to be made without greater consensus, in my opinion.
Yes, I completely agree with this.

Except, perhaps, your point about people of Scottish origin living elsewhere in the UK being excluded. It seems to me that was right and proper, otherwise you would be raising the specter of an ethnic definition of "who is a Scot."

You are right, the idea that a decision of this magnitude can be made by a simple majority vote in a referendum makes no sense, and is at the heart of the error made by the UK Government in agreeing to the process.
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