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Old Sep 19th 2014, 6:53 pm
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Looks like things are kicking off in George Square, Glasgow. I was going to wander down there after work, quite glad I didn't. Riot police and flares abound.

Can't help feeling that Salmond's resignation at such an emotive moment hasn't helped to calm the waters ...

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Old Sep 19th 2014, 7:11 pm
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Sadly predictable. Night after with tired folk and a beer or two.
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Old Sep 19th 2014, 7:13 pm
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Originally Posted by Weeze View Post
Sadly predictable. Night after with tired folk and a beer or two.
On R5 Live this morning one of the commentators attempted to interview some people who were making their way home after staying out all night following the results. They were completely plastered so it wasn't a particularly successful interview.
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Old Sep 19th 2014, 7:21 pm
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All those people sneering at Alex Salmond and the SNP remember this they are still the majority government in Scotland and have come from nowhere 40yrs ago to having 1.6 million scots voting for independence.If you think they are going away you are deluding yourself.
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Old Sep 19th 2014, 7:25 pm
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err...Alex Salmond is going away...

And I don't think anyone here is sneering.
Are you bitter?
Or do you support the wishes of the majority of Scots?
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err...Alex Salmond is going away...

And I don't think anyone here is sneering.
That said, Salmond is quite sneer-worthy.
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Old Sep 19th 2014, 7:27 pm
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Originally Posted by dunroving View Post
Looks like things are kicking off in George Square, Glasgow. I was going to wander down there after work, quite glad I didn't. Riot police and flares abound.

Can't help feeling that Salmond's resignation at such an emotive moment hasn't helped to calm the waters ...

Live commentary here.
A friend living in Scotland suggested it's old fashioned sectarianism rearing its ugly head.
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Old Sep 19th 2014, 7:31 pm
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Sad. The eyes of the world on the referendum, and being congratulated on a wonderful show of democracy from all quarters, and then this. Very sad.
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Old Sep 19th 2014, 7:34 pm
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On the plus side, at least the Americans will get another demonstration on how to do riot policing without assault rifles and snipers.
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Old Sep 19th 2014, 7:38 pm
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Originally Posted by neilcumming View Post
All those people sneering at Alex Salmond and the SNP remember this they are still the majority government in Scotland and have come from nowhere 40yrs ago to having 1.6 million scots voting for independence.If you think they are going away you are deluding yourself.
What an odd, sad post.
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Old Sep 19th 2014, 7:46 pm
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Originally Posted by sir_eccles View Post
A friend living in Scotland suggested it's old fashioned sectarianism rearing its ugly head.
Yes I imagine it is.
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Old Sep 19th 2014, 7:58 pm
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Originally Posted by sir_eccles View Post
A friend living in Scotland suggested it's old fashioned sectarianism rearing its ugly head.
Yes, I think that is playing at least some part. I just watched some live commentary as part of the One Show and although things are pretty tense it doesn't seem as bad as the text commentary indicated.

There are some Derry/Never Surrender flags being flown.
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Old Sep 19th 2014, 11:02 pm
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Originally Posted by neilcumming View Post
All those people sneering at Alex Salmond and the SNP remember this they are still the majority government in Scotland and have come from nowhere 40yrs ago to having 1.6 million scots voting for independence.If you think they are going away you are deluding yourself.
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What an odd, sad post.
I don't see what's odd or sad about that. A significant minority of the population voted in favor of this.

Is that sentiment just going to disappear overnight? If it isn't (and I presume that it won't), then where is it going to take them next?
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Old Sep 19th 2014, 11:10 pm
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I don't see what's odd or sad about that. A significant minority of the population voted in favor of this.

Is that sentiment just going to disappear overnight? If it isn't (and I presume that it won't), then where is it going to take them next?
So what? Keep voting every few years? For what?

Some deluded people seem to think we live under the yoke of the English.
It's far more productive to work on making Scotland stronger within the Union.

That's one of the problems the SNP encountered..they could not demonstrate why Independence would in fact be better for us. They were just full of vague emotional appeals.
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Old Sep 19th 2014, 11:19 pm
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So what? Keep voting every few years? For what?

Some deluded people seem to think we live under the yoke of the English.
It's far more productive to work on making Scotland stronger within the Union.

That's one of the problems the SNP encountered..they could not demonstrate why Independence would in fact be better for us. They were just full of vague emotional appeals.
I would suggest that the Quebec separatist movement has, on the whole, been bad for the province and a headache for Canada. The political schism associated with it is bad for business and creates an undercurrent of instability. Not the worst thing in the world -- it's preferable to a bloody civil war -- but not optimal, either.
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