the Scottish independence issue
#1936
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Re: the Scottish independence issue
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#1937
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The Scottish Government will be able to afford several of these. Not the full size, but the die cast should fit in Salmonds mini-me budget.
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Those are pretty cool actually.
#1938
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Re: the Scottish independence issue
Whatever happens, I bet they still won't get past the first round of the World Cup
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#1942
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My worry is that the whole thing has created a massive, ugly divide that will take a long time to heal regardless out the outcome. I've been out of Scotland for 4 years and the arguments I've seen across my friends social media have mostly made me glad to not be there currently. As a general, any native Scot that has come out as no has been called a traitor. Non-native scots have been told that if they aren't voting yes then they clearly don't love the country so shouldn't be there. Those pro-independence are being carried along on a wave of how everything is going to be better, fairer and generally rosy. These are people that have been perfectly sensible in their opinions until this vote. People that would usually point of the good and the bad and consider both angles don't seem to be doing that for this vote.
#1944
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My worry is that the whole thing has created a massive, ugly divide that will take a long time to heal regardless out the outcome. I've been out of Scotland for 4 years and the arguments I've seen across my friends social media have mostly made me glad to not be there currently. As a general, any native Scot that has come out as no has been called a traitor. Non-native scots have been told that if they aren't voting yes then they clearly don't love the country so shouldn't be there. Those pro-independence are being carried along on a wave of how everything is going to be better, fairer and generally rosy. These are people that have been perfectly sensible in their opinions until this vote. People that would usually point of the good and the bad and consider both angles don't seem to be doing that for this vote.
#1945
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I actually wonder if I won't be as close as the polls are showing. I imagine some of the no voters are saying they are yes voters to avoid confrontation.
#1946
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My worry is that the whole thing has created a massive, ugly divide that will take a long time to heal regardless out the outcome. I've been out of Scotland for 4 years and the arguments I've seen across my friends social media have mostly made me glad to not be there currently. As a general, any native Scot that has come out as no has been called a traitor. Non-native scots have been told that if they aren't voting yes then they clearly don't love the country so shouldn't be there. Those pro-independence are being carried along on a wave of how everything is going to be better, fairer and generally rosy. These are people that have been perfectly sensible in their opinions until this vote. People that would usually point of the good and the bad and consider both angles don't seem to be doing that for this vote.
I drive past one place every day on my way to work, that has two of the big fibre glass signs. Every day they look like they have been damaged in some way and every day the owner has repaired, replaced or stood it back up. It's good to see such persistence.
Overall there has been very little civil unrest but a lot of insidious bullying. Whatever the result I hope there is no recrimination in either direction.
#1947
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I've just been chatting with a friend outside Edinburgh. They are both 'professionals' (she's a dentist, he's a CEO of the UK arm of an international shipping company) and they have made contingency plans to move south should Yes win. They are pretty well off, their kids are grown, and although they are both scots, they have both lived in the SE (of England) for considerable periods, so have no qualms about "de-camping".
They've taken the day off tomorrow, and are planning on voting early, then heading South to visit her parents in England for the weekend. They are "no" voters, and say the atmosphere is not pleasant round where they are, so they want to be away when the results come in, just in case it is a "no", and especially don't want to be around to see the partying if it is a "yes". I found that pretty sad.
They've taken the day off tomorrow, and are planning on voting early, then heading South to visit her parents in England for the weekend. They are "no" voters, and say the atmosphere is not pleasant round where they are, so they want to be away when the results come in, just in case it is a "no", and especially don't want to be around to see the partying if it is a "yes". I found that pretty sad.
#1948
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Re: the Scottish independence issue
I've just been chatting with a friend outside Edinburgh. They are both 'professionals' (she's a dentist, he's a CEO of the UK arm of an international shipping company) and they have made contingency plans to move south should Yes win. They are pretty well off, their kids are grown, and although they are both scots, they have both lived in the SE (of England) for considerable periods, so have no qualms about "de-camping".
I'm personally in favor of a major rewrite (or creation) of the constitution to get to a federal type system and keeping the UK. However Scotland could stand on its own, and theres been plenty of negative impacts on rUK discussed also.
Just curious......
#1949
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Out of curiosity did they say why they're already making plans? I've seen the news from this side of the pond, and some of the concerns but wondered what is driving that decision in advance?
I'm personally in favor of a major rewrite (or creation) of the constitution to get to a federal type system and keeping the UK. However Scotland could stand on its own, and theres been plenty of negative impacts on rUK discussed also.
Just curious......
I'm personally in favor of a major rewrite (or creation) of the constitution to get to a federal type system and keeping the UK. However Scotland could stand on its own, and theres been plenty of negative impacts on rUK discussed also.
Just curious......
#1950
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I must stress these people always appeared reasonable before this whole campaign started, but this is the sort of stuff they are posting. I edited it for language.