scrubbedexpat099

Well not all....

sir_eccles

Are you sure you aren't thinking of the Welsh? (usually just after the six nations)

Sally Redux

not totally.

Cape Blue

My thoughts exactly. That and the ABE-syndrome around sports used to become quite wearing.

neilcumming

Sally I lived in England for 11yrs.I wouldnt say hate but I was certainly talked down to many a time as though I was some second class citizen, mainly in the south .

ivo

What an ignorant statement. We want to leave the union and enter an uncertain political and economic situation because we're not sure if you really like us? GTF!

When I think about an independent Scotland I don't think about English people at all. I'm excited to have self-determination; not for the chance to stick it up our neighbours.

It's a heady mix of arrogance and ignorance that breeds such a point of view.

scrubbedexpat099

Yorkieabroad

When I first started work, the deputy CEO took me under his wing. I was broad Yorkshire, first time working in London. He was Glaswegian. One of his favorite sayings to me was "folk can only talk down to you if you let them".

Yorkieabroad

Err, I think you missed the cause/effect there.....she was saying (some) English want the Scots to leave because of the incessant whingeing, not that the Scots want to leave because they think the English hate them.....

It's a heady mix of arrogance and ignorance that assumes that all English people want the Scots to remain part of the Union.....

ivo

No I got the entirety of the comment but, err, thank you for explaining. It carried more than one message for me.

I didn't make any assumptions about English people in my post so why are you projecting? You'll have to wait until I actually say some ignorant/arrogant pish before you call me out on it.

Sally Redux

Making my point for me I think.

Yorkieabroad

ivo

Ha ha! I have to admit, that's a brilliant response. <snip>.

Enjoy your point of view.

Yorkieabroad

A question, probably for dunroving who appears to be, in this thread at least, one of the most actually informed in a situation where many claim to be informed...

In the event of a yes vote, there is then an 18 month period in which " the details" are negotiated. That's likely to be a pretty acrimonious negotiation, particularly with things such as shouldering the burden of the national debt, so what process, if any, is in place to deal with the situation in which an agreement can't be reached?

dunroving

In the dozens (actually, more like 100's) of hours of coverage and debates and interviews I have watched, I haven't seen any definitive discussion of the process that would follow a Yes majority vote. The SNP has started to put together a list of names of people who have agreed in principle to serve on the negotiating committee on behalf of Scotland. Some of these are actually in the No camp and I am pretty disgusted by the fact that the slippery little git has been using this information to insidiously set a tone that Independence is a foregone conclusion, and that people in the No campaign recognise that.

Almost every discussion of a post-Yes adjustment period has quite emphatically concluded that 18 months is nowhere near a realistic timeline.