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Old Sep 14th 2014, 5:16 pm
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Originally Posted by Lothianlad
Practically all of the public opinion polls being disclosed on what seems to be an hourly basis (making many of my English friends and colleagues down here in (very warm and sunny on a daily basis for quite some time now! ) what must be about the most English part of England - the Cotswolds - causing them now to feel peed off and even not being all that bothered one way or the other with an almost "let the b******s go if they want to go and good riddance to the f******s whiners" attitude borne out of constant repetition and permanent coverage, irrespective of the very drastic consequences their departure would bring about in this country.

One thing is for sure, though - every poll published shows a margin in favour of a No to independence vote even though they are all quite narrow...none larger than about 5% at the very most...some as low as 1%.

But the only poll that matters will be the one officially published some time next Friday.

What will happen to my UK passport should Scotland actually become independent is quite unclear as I never intend to live in the country of my birth and heritage again.....England is well good enough for me, especially this part of it.
There was one poll (Yougov I think) that showed a lead of 1% for Yes. That was the day the pound dropped.

Re passports and citizenship that was s covered in the white paper as per my earlier post.
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Old Sep 14th 2014, 5:21 pm
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I'm currently in Austin for a couple of days and have been surprised how often I have been asked questions about the referendum. Americans don't tend to be clued up on world politics but most people I spoke with (albeit a pretty educated group) were very well informed on the issues.
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Old Sep 14th 2014, 6:15 pm
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Originally Posted by dunroving
I'm currently in Austin for a couple of days and have been surprised how often I have been asked questions about the referendum. Americans don't tend to be clued up on world politics but most people I spoke with (albeit a pretty educated group) were very well informed on the issues.
Watched one newscast today where they were discussing the number of delegations that had been sent to Scotland from other countries to observe the referendum. There are separatists movements in each. Spain, Italy, etc......and one delegation from Texas.
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Watched one newscast today where they were discussing the number of delegations that had been sent to Scotland from other countries to observe the referendum. There are separatists movements in each. Spain, Italy, etc......and one delegation from Texas.
I would be completely unsurprised if Texas does not very seriously explore secession if Obama carries out his threat/promise to do an end run around Congress and illegally provide amnesty to up to 11 million illegals - coupled with his government's failure and refusal to secure the southern border, which directly impacts Texas in a very negative and expensive way.

It might have ended badly in 1865, but this is a different era. Now the main focus would be on negotiating how and whether Texas would have to pay its "share" of the national debt. No Union armies are going to be marching into Texas and whichever other states join it in breaking away. What's in it for the Democrats is that without Texas' electoral votes, they would probably win the Presidency for the rest of time.
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I would be completely unsurprised if Texas does not very seriously explore secession if Obama carries out his threat/promise to do an end run around Congress and illegally provide amnesty to up to 11 million illegals - coupled with his government's failure and refusal to secure the southern border, which directly impacts Texas in a very negative and expensive way.

It might have ended badly in 1865, but this is a different era. Now the main focus would be on negotiating how and whether Texas would have to pay its "share" of the national debt. No Union armies are going to be marching into Texas and whichever other states join it in breaking away. What's in it for the Democrats is that without Texas' electoral votes, they would probably win the Presidency for the rest of time.
Those Texas autocrats couldn't resist that cheap Mexican labor. And as a result, if Texas would be able to secede they would be absorbed by Mexico.

As for Scotland how could they vote "No" now with all the acrimony and water under the bridge so to speak. Is there anything for them to go back to? It appears to me their relationship to England is shot.
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Those Texas autocrats couldn't resist that cheap Mexican labor. And as a result, if Texas would be able to secede they would be absorbed by Mexico.

As for Scotland how could they vote "No" now with all the acrimony and water under the bridge so to speak. Is there anything for them to go back to? It appears to me their relationship to England is shot.
Agreed on both.
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Neil cumming writes"I would be pissed off too if I knew I would be facing a lifetime of being governed by the tories and or UKIP"

maybe he should have added-

"And no oil revenue to hide my bankruptcy !"
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Originally Posted by scot47
Neil cumming writes"I would be pissed off too if I knew I would be facing a lifetime of being governed by the tories and or UKIP"

maybe he should have added-

"And no oil revenue to hide my bankruptcy !"
Tories, maybe, but nobody in the history of ever, is ever going to be governed by UKIP

How disappointed I was, incidentally, to find out when I was back in Blighty, that UKIP is actually pronounced as a word and not as the initials 'U-K-I-P' as I thought. Fits their manifesto, I suppose, as a bunch of lowest common denominator, populist arseholes who ripped off the Poundland sign ...
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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing
Tories, maybe, but nobody in the history of ever, is ever going to be governed by UKIP

How disappointed I was, incidentally, to find out when I was back in Blighty, that UKIP is actually pronounced as a word and not as the initials 'U-K-I-P' as I thought. Fits their manifesto, I suppose, as a bunch of lowest common denominator, populist arseholes who ripped off the Poundland sign ...
Yes, no chance.

Haven't heard a single mention of them since I got back
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Yes, no chance.

Haven't heard a single mention of them since I got back
Was just a snippet in the news, because while I was over, a tory defected. I heard them pronounce it as the word 'Ukip' and almost vomited.
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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing
Was just a snippet in the news, because while I was over, a tory defected. I heard them pronounce it as the word 'Ukip' and almost vomited.
Not a good combo with all that greasy food.
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Not a good combo with all that greasy food.
No. Plus, I was in my sister's car at the time, so that would have resulted in a long walk home, too ...
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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing
vomited.
One way to keep the weight off.

Plus, you could become a model.
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One way to keep the weight off.

Plus, you could become a model.
Yes, I could model darts shirts, or snooker cues, I suppose
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I think the Scots have this circular thing going on where they think the English hate them, which of course they don't at all, but they keep whingeing on until you do feel you'd rather see the back of them.
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