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Old Sep 12th 2014, 5:07 am
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Old Sep 12th 2014, 7:30 am
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Old Sep 12th 2014, 7:35 am
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'No' vote just means Scotland will remain in the union but want more things to be free.
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Old Sep 12th 2014, 11:56 am
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Originally Posted by Yorkieabroad
So no land border controls? Are they just leaving the land border open because they assume that anyone coming in that way is either an England/Wales resident, or has passed through other UK border controls? Are they planning anything for sea or air access, or is everything going to be totally open access...?
I'm sure you can come up with some Scottish immigration controls for sea and air as easily as I can. I imagine there would be a UK citizen line with no control.
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Old Sep 12th 2014, 12:02 pm
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I'm sure you can come up with some Scottish immigration controls for sea and air as easily as I can. I imagine there would be a UK citizen line with no control.
Sea and air are already in place..they can just use the existing system, but they are going to be pretty ineffective if there is a totally porous, uncontrolled land border to the south.
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Old Sep 12th 2014, 1:52 pm
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Originally Posted by Yorkieabroad
.... Ps - if it is "no" next week, the first thing Westminster should do is add a Scottish Referendum increment (5% sound good?) on income tax for Scottish residents to fund the next effort
The second thing they should ALL do is sit down and plan how any future separation would work, because if it is a Yes next week, its going to be the messiest, most acrimonious divorce ever seen, especially if Salmond keeps pushing his new "let them invade us" line re shouldering Scotlands share of the National Debt...................
Mostly I agree, with all the analytical stuff certainly, BUT, win OR lose, the FIRST thing that the government should to is realign the constituency boundries so that an average Scottish constituency has the same population as the average English constituency. The SECOND thing they should do is prohibit Scottish (and Welsh) MPs from voting on anything in England that has been devolved to the regional assemblies.
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
Mostly I agree, with all the analytical stuff certainly, BUT, win OR lose, the FIRST thing that the government should to is realign the constituency boundries so that an average Scottish constituency has the same population as the average English constituency. The SECOND thing they should do is prohibit Scottish (and Welsh) MPs from voting on anything in England that has been devolved to the regional assemblies.
Well, if Yes win, I guess your first point will be up to the new Scottish Govt. As to your second point - absolutely.

Ps - Analytical? <snigger> He said analytical more like off the cuff late night ramble....
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Old Sep 12th 2014, 2:07 pm
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
Mostly I agree, with all the analytical stuff certainly, BUT, win OR lose, the FIRST thing that the government should to is realign the constituency boundries so that an average Scottish constituency has the same population as the average English constituency. The SECOND thing they should do is prohibit Scottish (and Welsh) MPs from voting on anything in England that has been devolved to the regional assemblies.
Disagree. If there is a No vote the first thing they should do is figure out how to establish a legislative body that deals with English affairs. The UK parliament should only be for issues that are impactful on the UK and not be some hybrid UK/English parliament.

Frankly I'm surprised that there hasn't been more vocal support for an English legislation as part of this whole debate. The (lack of ) the UK constitution means the system in place now is wholly unsuitable for the current times IMO.
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Originally Posted by Alan17

Frankly I'm surprised that there hasn't been more vocal support for an English legislation as part of this whole debate. The (lack of ) the UK constitution means the system in place now is wholly unsuitable for the current times IMO.
Yes, and why was this allowed to happen so asymmetrically in 1999? (Was that when the devolved assemblies came about?) I wasn't living in the UK and didn't pay attention at the time, but it seems crazy that they didn't take the opportunity to create parallel assemblies for England, Scotland, Wales and NI at that time with the same devolved powers for each.
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Originally Posted by Alan17
Disagree. If there is a No vote the first thing they should do is figure out how to establish a legislative body that deals with English affairs. ....
Yeah! That's what we need, more government and more bureaucrats!

Ejecting Scottish and Welsh MPs from the chamber when discussing matters otherwise devolved to Scotland and Wales would achieve the same thing without the need for additional bureaucracy or even reorganization.

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Old Sep 12th 2014, 3:30 pm
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Originally Posted by Sally Redux
'No' vote just means Scotland will remain in the union but want more things to be free.
Any canny Scottish voter should be able to work out that they can vote no and still get most of what they want without paying for it.

Originally Posted by Alan17
Disagree. If there is a No vote the first thing they should do is figure out how to establish a legislative body that deals with English affairs. The UK parliament should only be for issues that are impactful on the UK and not be some hybrid UK/English parliament.

Frankly I'm surprised that there hasn't been more vocal support for an English legislation as part of this whole debate. The (lack of ) the UK constitution means the system in place now is wholly unsuitable for the current times IMO.
It would make a lot of sense. But it won't happen because Federalism is a naughty word in British politics!

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Old Sep 12th 2014, 3:38 pm
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Originally Posted by robin1234
Yes, and why was this allowed to happen so asymmetrically in 1999? (Was that when the devolved assemblies came about?) I wasn't living in the UK and didn't pay attention at the time, but it seems crazy that they didn't take the opportunity to create parallel assemblies for England, Scotland, Wales and NI at that time with the same devolved powers for each.
There was no demand for an English assembly, perhaps because the English were more happy with a parliament sitting in their own country than the Welsh and Scots were. Northern Ireland's parliament has now been restored, although I do not know how its powers compare to those devolved to Wales and Scotland.

Here's some background on "regional assemblies" for England. They never really got off the ground and were scrapped:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_assembly_(England)

Maybe London should be carved out as a "capital territory" that's not part of England?

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Maybe London should be carved out as a "capital territory" that's not part of England?
Like DC?
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I know but being conservation minded I try not to use characters needlessly.
Maybe it doesn't matter if you quote? Cause they've already been used...so it's just recycling?
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I know but being conservation minded I try not to use characters needlessly.
Maybe it doesn't matter if you quote? Cause they've already been used...so it's just recycling?
It's kind of annoying when people quote a massive post and just put a smiley at the end anyway.
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