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Old Sep 8th 2014, 8:17 pm
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Originally Posted by Sally Redux
Yes what happens with citizenship? Sorry if it's been covered, I haven't been taking it seriously I admit.
One wonders if something similar to Ireland would work where you can get Irish citizenship regardless of which half you are born in (unless I am totally misremembering how it works).

So born in Scotland and you get both Scottish and British citizenship.
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Originally Posted by Giantaxe
Even if Scotland charged zero APD, it would be cheaper for me to fly to London.
How much cheaper?
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Old Sep 8th 2014, 8:18 pm
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Most Americans I talk to want to go to Ireland to trace their ancestry and I don't see Ireland exactly rolling in tourism dollars.
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Old Sep 8th 2014, 8:18 pm
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Originally Posted by Sally Redux
Yes what happens with citizenship? Sorry if it's been covered, I haven't been taking it seriously I admit.
Essentially, the white paper suggests that current Scottish citizens will retain the right to UK citizenship, and vice versa. Similarly, Scottish and UK citizenship will be passed on to children who are born in Scotland and the UK, so this aspect of citizenship will be unaffected by Scottish independence for many generations.
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Old Sep 8th 2014, 8:19 pm
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Originally Posted by neilcumming
I have spoken to alot of people in USA and Canada who want to visit Scotland but it is expensive,not just to fly there but hotels etc.If they do cut the taxes it will increase tourism no doubt.
How much is the cost going to go down due to removal(reduction?) of airport tax?* Is that difference really going to make a significant difference in the number of tourists?* Especially if the hotels are perceived as being expensive - or are they going to be subsidized/price controlled?

*First 2 questions are genuine, last one is back to my facetious side...
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Old Sep 8th 2014, 8:21 pm
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Originally Posted by sir_eccles
One wonders if something similar to Ireland would work where you can get Irish citizenship regardless of which half you are born in (unless I am totally misremembering how it works).

So born in Scotland and you get both Scottish and British citizenship.
That's the thing about this imbecilic "plan"

They do not have any real answers other than it will be worked out later.

Can you believe it? No firm agreement on our citizenship status.
No definitive answer on currency, NATO, nuclear, the economy, immigration, EU?

And they claim they're ready?

What a bunch a numpties.
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Old Sep 8th 2014, 8:24 pm
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Default Re: the Scottish independence issue

Originally Posted by Hotscot
That's the thing about this imbecilic "plan"

They do not have any real answers other than it will be worked out later.

Can you believe it? No firm agreement on our citizenship status.
No definitive answer on currency, NATO, nuclear, the economy, immigration, EU?

And they claim they're ready?

What a bunch a numpties.
As long as they keep the receipt and the original packaging, maybe they can return their independence for a refund?
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Old Sep 8th 2014, 8:25 pm
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Default Re: the Scottish independence issue

Originally Posted by sir_eccles
One wonders if something similar to Ireland would work where you can get Irish citizenship regardless of which half you are born in (unless I am totally misremembering how it works).

So born in Scotland and you get both Scottish and British citizenship.
Originally Posted by dunroving
Essentially, the white paper suggests that current Scottish citizens will retain the right to UK citizenship, and vice versa. Similarly, Scottish and UK citizenship will be passed on to children who are born in Scotland and the UK, so this aspect of citizenship will be unaffected by Scottish independence for many generations.
OK I think I get it.
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Old Sep 8th 2014, 8:27 pm
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Originally Posted by neilcumming
How much cheaper?
A quick check shows it would be marginally cheaper for me to fly to London than to fly to a zero APD Edinburgh/Glasgow (avoiding changing in a rump UK). Somehow I doubt APD would be zero; Ireland, for example, charges some taxes.
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Old Sep 8th 2014, 8:28 pm
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Default Re: the Scottish independence issue

Originally Posted by Hotscot
That's the thing about this imbecilic "plan"

They do not have any real answers other than it will be worked out later.

Can you believe it? No firm agreement on our citizenship status.
No definitive answer on currency, NATO, nuclear, the economy, immigration, EU?

And they claim they're ready?

What a bunch a numpties.
They would presumably try to negotiate some kind of Schengen opt-out with the EU. Whether they would succeed is another question.
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Old Sep 8th 2014, 8:30 pm
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Originally Posted by Giantaxe
They would presumably try to negotiate some kind of Schengen opt-out with the EU. Whether they would succeed is another question.
They've no leverage for this.
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Old Sep 8th 2014, 8:33 pm
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Originally Posted by Yorkieabroad
How much is the cost going to go down due to removal(reduction?) of airport tax?* Is that difference really going to make a significant difference in the number of tourists?* Especially if the hotels are perceived as being expensive - or are they going to be subsidized/price controlled?

*First 2 questions are genuine, last one is back to my facetious side...
They say they are going to cut the tax by 50%,who knows if it works they could cut it even more,why not.The hotels are expensive compared to the USA not so much Canada.They could reduce the tax on hotels as well I suppose ,as I said if it were a success .
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Old Sep 8th 2014, 8:33 pm
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What about the Head of State. The SNP says it will keep the Queen and her heirs as the heads of state.......Ibut there's an alternative......what about separating the Crowns as well and putting a Stuart of the throne and making the Jacobites happy

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Old Sep 8th 2014, 8:38 pm
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Originally Posted by neilcumming
They say they are going to cut the tax by 50%,who knows if it works they could cut it even more,why not.The hotels are expensive compared to the USA not so much Canada.They could reduce the tax on hotels as well I suppose ,as I said if it were a success .
Yeah, why not, give it a go eh.

Good grief.
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Old Sep 8th 2014, 8:48 pm
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I don't see any reason why Scotland couldn't be an economic success outside of the UK. It's got 5M people in a bigger land mass than many other European countries. It's got strong agriculture and fisheries, engineering, defense, high tech and financial industries. Also plenty of great universities.
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