the Scottish independence issue
Jul 27th 2014, 6:05 pm
#1486
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Re: the Scottish independence issue
My point is that some English people believe that England rules the UK. There, i said it in black and white. Fire at will. But it is true of a rather vocal some, even if it is unpleasant to hear.
A state in the usa is not synonymous with the use of the word as in meaning country or nation. Like i said, oranges and tangelos...interesting to ponder over the similarities perhaps but in the end, can't be called the same so no real conclusion from one can apply to the other.
A state in the usa is not synonymous with the use of the word as in meaning country or nation. Like i said, oranges and tangelos...interesting to ponder over the similarities perhaps but in the end, can't be called the same so no real conclusion from one can apply to the other.
Jul 27th 2014, 6:09 pm
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Re: the Scottish independence issue
I think Spain struggles with this as well, although not as peacefully internally.
Jul 27th 2014, 6:17 pm
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Re: the Scottish independence issue
Texans I know think otherwise.
Jul 27th 2014, 6:40 pm
#1489
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Re: the Scottish independence issue
First, the word "state" and the word "country" are at least partly synonymous. Second, I doubt if any English people believe Scotland, NI etc. are states within England. They are states (or countries, jurisdictions, principalities, provinces -what you will...) within the United Kingdom.
Scotland and England were two independent states with histories going back a thousand or more years. Their parliaments freely decided in the early eighteenth century to unite and form the United Kingdom. These are facts, I don't think it's that difficult to grasp.
Scotland and England were two independent states with histories going back a thousand or more years. Their parliaments freely decided in the early eighteenth century to unite and form the United Kingdom. These are facts, I don't think it's that difficult to grasp.
Jul 27th 2014, 7:11 pm
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Re: the Scottish independence issue
Yup, there were all kinds of reasons the two countries successfully decided on a union. Darien was no doubt a contributing factor, but it alone hardly made Scotland unviable as a country. Long view, ever since the two countries were united under one monarch, many people (constitutional lawyers, MPs, landowners and peers..) had been working toward a union.
Jul 27th 2014, 7:26 pm
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Re: the Scottish independence issue
Jul 27th 2014, 10:21 pm
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Re: the Scottish independence issue
I always thought that England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland were simply suburbs of Greater London. The poor kind.
Jul 27th 2014, 10:41 pm
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Re: the Scottish independence issue
My point is that some English people believe that England rules the UK. There, i said it in black and white. Fire at will. But it is true of a rather vocal some, even if it is unpleasant to hear.
A state in the usa is not synonymous with the use of the word as in meaning country or nation. Like i said, oranges and tangelos...interesting to ponder over the similarities perhaps but in the end, can't be called the same so no real conclusion from one can apply to the other.
A state in the usa is not synonymous with the use of the word as in meaning country or nation. Like i said, oranges and tangelos...interesting to ponder over the similarities perhaps but in the end, can't be called the same so no real conclusion from one can apply to the other.
Jul 28th 2014, 12:10 am
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Re: the Scottish independence issue
If anything they complain about Scottish MPs and government ministers being the tail that wags the dog because of the disproportionate effect that the politicians from north of the border have on the British government.
Jul 28th 2014, 12:15 am
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Re: the Scottish independence issue
Absolutely.
Jul 28th 2014, 11:09 am
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Re: the Scottish independence issue
Agreed.
Jul 28th 2014, 11:32 am
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Re: the Scottish independence issue
I have no great faith in opinion polls. The truth is that the only poll that matters is the one on 18 September
Jul 28th 2014, 11:55 am
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Re: the Scottish independence issue
Then the only poll that matters will be the next referendum on Scottish independence, ad nauseum until a Yes vote results.
Jul 28th 2014, 12:23 pm
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Re: the Scottish independence issue
That's what happened in Quebec. After a few tries though, Quebeckers seem to have accepted that they can have their cake and eat it, remaining part of Canada.
