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Old Jul 29th 2015, 2:49 pm
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Pretty sure he knew what he was doing, the rules in the US are very strict and if he had done something similar here he would have been in deep trouble.
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Walter Palmer, who has a felony record in the U.S. related to shooting a black bear in Wisconsin, released a statement Tuesday after Zimbabwean authorities identified him as the American involved in the July hunt. They said Palmer is being sought on poaching charges, but Palmer said he hasn't heard from U.S. or Zimbabwean authorities.

Man accused in lion death says he thought hunt was legal
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Walter Palmer, who has a felony record in the U.S. .....
Does this explain why he hunts with a bow?
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Old Jul 29th 2015, 3:23 pm
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That would stop you getting any license in the US.
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Old Jul 29th 2015, 3:25 pm
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Originally Posted by RoadWarriorFromLP
He paid the locals tens of thousands of dollars to arrange that. It was they who opted to lure a relatively tame lion out of its protected zone, presumably because they wanted to make easier money.

He didn't tell them to go find a celebrity media star of a cat. How would he have possibly known which lion this was?
I have worked out that way and been on safari (only with a camera) and if a small group of trackers are demanding tens of thousands of dollars for a hunt it would be perhaps a little ‘shady’. The Doc’s argument is poor, he was an experienced hunter, he would have known the going rate for a legit hunt and after all he did pull the trigger but I can see whose side you favour.
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
(i) Pigs, cows, and chickens aren't likely to become extinct any time soon.
(ii) Pigs, cows, and chickens provide food, whereas Cecil was stripped of a couple of trophies for display, and left to rot.

I don't see any useful comparison between farming livestock and killing a relatively rare wild animal for kicks.
I know of a couple of hunters who have been on similar hunting trips to Africa, and I've seen the photos of them along sign dead zebras, different kinds of dear/antelope, etc. Whilst they do indeed take the head/skin, the meat was given to the local people.

I find it unlikely that the carcas was simply left to rot- the meat was almost certainly given to the locals.

As far as I can see, lions are not an endangered species; https://www.worldwildlife.org/specie...inction_status, although I stand to be corrected on that.
My point is simply that there is a double standard here. Wild animials are hunted all the time for sport (absolutely wrong in my opinion), but nobody seems to care when it's a different species.
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Legal hunting is usually a way of generating significantly more money for maintaining wildlife areas than having their own rangers take the shots. Unfortunately, it can create a self-perpetuating system where it seems that the animals are raised in order to be killed to keep the money coming in, but at least that keeps the land from being developed and the animals from being pushed to unmaintainable levels by poachers.
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Originally Posted by Jericho79
I know of a couple of hunters who have been on similar hunting trips to Africa, and I've seen the photos of them along sign dead zebras, different kinds of dear/antelope, etc. Whilst they do indeed take the head/skin, the meat was given to the local people.

I find it unlikely that the carcas was simply left to rot- the meat was almost certainly given to the locals.

As far as I can see, lions are not an endangered species; https://www.worldwildlife.org/specie...inction_status, although I stand to be corrected on that.
My point is simply that there is a double standard here. Wild animials are hunted all the time for sport (absolutely wrong in my opinion), but nobody seems to care when it's a different species.
Have you done your Hunters Ed?
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Originally Posted by RoadWarriorFromLP

He didn't tell them to go find a celebrity media star of a cat. How would he have possibly known which lion this was?
The collar around the lion's neck? The collar placed by Oxford uni in 1999? The collar his "guides" later tried to destroy?
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The collar around the lion's neck? The collar placed by Oxford uni in 1999? The collar his "guides" later tried to destroy?
Apart from that...

And he would have been up close with a bow shot.
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I have worked out that way and been on safari (only with a camera) and if a small group of trackers are demanding tens of thousands of dollars for a hunt it would be perhaps a little ‘shady’.
These things don't come cheap. The $20,000 Daniell spent on his last safari to Mozambique is but a fraction of the kind of money hunters can shell out for an expedition to bag a lion, elephant, rhino, or any of the other big game animals ripe for stalking on the veldt.

To these folks, it's worth it, said Alistair Pole, owner of Zambezi Hunters, which escorts hunters on "classic dangerous game safaris" on the Save Valley Conservancy in Zimbabwe. An upper-end hunting expedition can cost up to $70,000 before all is said and done, Pole said.


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I can see whose side you favour.
I am on the side of the non-hysterical, factually-oriented contingent.
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Originally Posted by Jericho79
..... My point is simply that there is a double standard here. Wild animials are hunted all the time for sport (absolutely wrong in my opinion), but nobody seems to care when it's a different species.
Your point has changed. You started off comparing sport hunting to farming livestock. Now you're comparing the sport hunting of different species. ...... I am going to assume you agree that comparing sport hunting to farming livestock is specious.
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Originally Posted by sir_eccles
It's a shame people are getting more upset about a lion than about the mass shooting of humans on a daily basis in the US.

That said the dentist is a twat.
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Originally Posted by Boiler
Apart from that...

And he would have been up close with a bow shot.
He is "said to be capable of skewering a playing card from 100 yards with his compound bow,"

U.S. dentist regrets role in Cecil the lion's death - CNN.com

It seems that he gets his kicks from shooting things at a distance.
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
Does this explain why he hunts with a bow?
That makes sense.
I am not a hunter but does it seem unusual or even inhumane to hunt a lion with a bow?
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