Real ID act
May 7th 2007, 11:30 pm
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Real ID act
I am just learning of the real ID act of 2005.
What of any impact will this have on the immigration scenerio?
What of any impact will this have on the immigration scenerio?
May 8th 2007, 1:49 am
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Re: Real ID act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act. Wikipedia is your friend... feel free to use this resource before posting.
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May 8th 2007, 2:30 am
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Re: Real ID act
"Les" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] ups.com...
|I am just learning of the real ID act of 2005.
| What of any impact will this have on the immigration scenerio?
|
Not much if you are legal since legal people don't have much problem in
getting genuine and legal documents such as government issued IDs.
news:[email protected] ups.com...
|I am just learning of the real ID act of 2005.
| What of any impact will this have on the immigration scenerio?
|
Not much if you are legal since legal people don't have much problem in
getting genuine and legal documents such as government issued IDs.
May 8th 2007, 3:20 am
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Re: Real ID act
"Les" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] ups.com...
|I am just learning of the real ID act of 2005.
| What of any impact will this have on the immigration scenerio?
|
Not much if you are legal since legal people don't have much problem in
getting genuine and legal documents such as government issued IDs.
news:[email protected] ups.com...
|I am just learning of the real ID act of 2005.
| What of any impact will this have on the immigration scenerio?
|
Not much if you are legal since legal people don't have much problem in
getting genuine and legal documents such as government issued IDs.
May 9th 2007, 2:22 am
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Re: Real ID act
On May 7, 10:30 pm, "Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Not much if you are legal since legal people don't have much problem in
> getting genuine and legal documents such as government issued IDs.
Depends on where you live... In the US might be easier because they
accept more pieces as "ID", but let me put it this way... in Canada
the SIN (which is like an SSN) is not ID, it is only to be used for
tax purposes. I used to verify SIN cards for student loans (since this
is a tax/income matter). Health cards in Ontario (where I live) are
not ID. They would not allow me to pick up my credit card at the bank
with just my driver's license, and everything else I have "is not
valid ID". I had to go home and get my passport (which I safeguard and
don't carry with me).
One of my friends cannot drive a car (because she is visually
impaired), but she has a birth certificate (Ontario), health card
(Ontario), and SIN card. She can't even open a bank account with these
documents, she needs to apply for a passport. Now to get a passport,
they want two pieces of ID plus birth certificate. I don't know which
two, but I'm not sure if she even has two.
I couldn't get a health card in Ontario for two months because I could
not prove my address. The bank would not reroute my mail because they
wanted proof of the new address (so thus all my bank statements went
to my old address until that problem was fixed), and I quit my job
when I moved, so I had no income/pay stubs with the new address until
I got a new job. I had no lease, and no bills in my name. The sum of
that, no health care as I was no longer a resident of the previous
province, and could not prove residency in Ontario. I know I got it
straightened out, but it was a huge hassle... moving in with a spouse
who already has a lease, and bills in his name, not needing to get any
new bills (and they do not accept credit cards or cell phone bills,
which is all I had). Not having a job right away, and it wasn't as if
I was collecting benefits that would be mailed to me. If memory
serves, I got added to the lease in order to prove residency, but it
was a huge hassle, and in the end, that beautiful laminated health
card is not even ID.
Funny about that... last time I was in the US, and asked to show ID
when paying by Visa, I showed them the Ontario Health Card just to see
if they reacted with "I need a driver's license or passport" or
anything like that. Everyone in Illinois, Michigan and Indiana took it
as ID to prove I was me paying by credit card. In Quebec, the sun card
(health card) is ID there, and valid to be used to apply for a
driver's license. At the time I had it, I had no driver's license and
I needed to show ID to pay by credit card or check, not sure what I
was doing. She wouldn't take it because "it's in French, and I can't
read it". Driver's licenses in Quebec are also only in French. I just
travel with an IDP, problems solved.
So it depends where you live... Ontario is a pain in the butt to get
ID. As a person who moved here to become established, I had one heck
of a time convincing anyone I was who I said I was, because I either
didn't have "legal ID" (as in, it's government issued, but not ID), or
enough pieces of ID. I remember when I was allowed to apply for my
Canadian passport after citizenship, I told the guy processing my
application, "now I finally have three pieces of ID" (Citizenship
card, driver's license, Canadian passport). He said, "that's not ID,
it's a travel document, you can't use a passport for ID!!" (And he
works for the government of Canada???) I really don't get this place
sometimes...
S.
> Not much if you are legal since legal people don't have much problem in
> getting genuine and legal documents such as government issued IDs.
Depends on where you live... In the US might be easier because they
accept more pieces as "ID", but let me put it this way... in Canada
the SIN (which is like an SSN) is not ID, it is only to be used for
tax purposes. I used to verify SIN cards for student loans (since this
is a tax/income matter). Health cards in Ontario (where I live) are
not ID. They would not allow me to pick up my credit card at the bank
with just my driver's license, and everything else I have "is not
valid ID". I had to go home and get my passport (which I safeguard and
don't carry with me).
One of my friends cannot drive a car (because she is visually
impaired), but she has a birth certificate (Ontario), health card
(Ontario), and SIN card. She can't even open a bank account with these
documents, she needs to apply for a passport. Now to get a passport,
they want two pieces of ID plus birth certificate. I don't know which
two, but I'm not sure if she even has two.
I couldn't get a health card in Ontario for two months because I could
not prove my address. The bank would not reroute my mail because they
wanted proof of the new address (so thus all my bank statements went
to my old address until that problem was fixed), and I quit my job
when I moved, so I had no income/pay stubs with the new address until
I got a new job. I had no lease, and no bills in my name. The sum of
that, no health care as I was no longer a resident of the previous
province, and could not prove residency in Ontario. I know I got it
straightened out, but it was a huge hassle... moving in with a spouse
who already has a lease, and bills in his name, not needing to get any
new bills (and they do not accept credit cards or cell phone bills,
which is all I had). Not having a job right away, and it wasn't as if
I was collecting benefits that would be mailed to me. If memory
serves, I got added to the lease in order to prove residency, but it
was a huge hassle, and in the end, that beautiful laminated health
card is not even ID.
Funny about that... last time I was in the US, and asked to show ID
when paying by Visa, I showed them the Ontario Health Card just to see
if they reacted with "I need a driver's license or passport" or
anything like that. Everyone in Illinois, Michigan and Indiana took it
as ID to prove I was me paying by credit card. In Quebec, the sun card
(health card) is ID there, and valid to be used to apply for a
driver's license. At the time I had it, I had no driver's license and
I needed to show ID to pay by credit card or check, not sure what I
was doing. She wouldn't take it because "it's in French, and I can't
read it". Driver's licenses in Quebec are also only in French. I just
travel with an IDP, problems solved.
So it depends where you live... Ontario is a pain in the butt to get
ID. As a person who moved here to become established, I had one heck
of a time convincing anyone I was who I said I was, because I either
didn't have "legal ID" (as in, it's government issued, but not ID), or
enough pieces of ID. I remember when I was allowed to apply for my
Canadian passport after citizenship, I told the guy processing my
application, "now I finally have three pieces of ID" (Citizenship
card, driver's license, Canadian passport). He said, "that's not ID,
it's a travel document, you can't use a passport for ID!!" (And he
works for the government of Canada???) I really don't get this place
sometimes...
S.
May 9th 2007, 4:11 am
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Re: Real ID act
"Sapphyre" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] oups.com...
| On May 7, 10:30 pm, "Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote:
| > Not much if you are legal since legal people don't have much problem in
| > getting genuine and legal documents such as government issued IDs.
|
| Depends on where you live... In the US might be easier because they
| accept more pieces as "ID", but let me put it this way... in Canada
| the SIN (which is like an SSN) is not ID, it is only to be used for
| tax purposes. I used to verify SIN cards for student loans (since this
| is a tax/income matter). Health cards in Ontario (where I live) are
| not ID. They would not allow me to pick up my credit card at the bank
| with just my driver's license, and everything else I have "is not
| valid ID". I had to go home and get my passport (which I safeguard and
| don't carry with me).
|
| One of my friends cannot drive a car (because she is visually
| impaired), but she has a birth certificate (Ontario), health card
| (Ontario), and SIN card. She can't even open a bank account with these
| documents, she needs to apply for a passport. Now to get a passport,
| they want two pieces of ID plus birth certificate. I don't know which
| two, but I'm not sure if she even has two.
|
| I couldn't get a health card in Ontario for two months because I could
| not prove my address. The bank would not reroute my mail because they
| wanted proof of the new address (so thus all my bank statements went
| to my old address until that problem was fixed), and I quit my job
| when I moved, so I had no income/pay stubs with the new address until
| I got a new job. I had no lease, and no bills in my name. The sum of
| that, no health care as I was no longer a resident of the previous
| province, and could not prove residency in Ontario. I know I got it
| straightened out, but it was a huge hassle... moving in with a spouse
| who already has a lease, and bills in his name, not needing to get any
| new bills (and they do not accept credit cards or cell phone bills,
| which is all I had). Not having a job right away, and it wasn't as if
| I was collecting benefits that would be mailed to me. If memory
| serves, I got added to the lease in order to prove residency, but it
| was a huge hassle, and in the end, that beautiful laminated health
| card is not even ID.
|
| Funny about that... last time I was in the US, and asked to show ID
| when paying by Visa, I showed them the Ontario Health Card just to see
| if they reacted with "I need a driver's license or passport" or
| anything like that. Everyone in Illinois, Michigan and Indiana took it
| as ID to prove I was me paying by credit card. In Quebec, the sun card
| (health card) is ID there, and valid to be used to apply for a
| driver's license. At the time I had it, I had no driver's license and
| I needed to show ID to pay by credit card or check, not sure what I
| was doing. She wouldn't take it because "it's in French, and I can't
| read it". Driver's licenses in Quebec are also only in French. I just
| travel with an IDP, problems solved.
|
| So it depends where you live... Ontario is a pain in the butt to get
| ID. As a person who moved here to become established, I had one heck
| of a time convincing anyone I was who I said I was, because I either
| didn't have "legal ID" (as in, it's government issued, but not ID), or
| enough pieces of ID. I remember when I was allowed to apply for my
| Canadian passport after citizenship, I told the guy processing my
| application, "now I finally have three pieces of ID" (Citizenship
| card, driver's license, Canadian passport). He said, "that's not ID,
| it's a travel document, you can't use a passport for ID!!" (And he
| works for the government of Canada???) I really don't get this place
| sometimes...
|
| S.
|
The Real ID Act is not Canadian but rather a US law, is it?
news:[email protected] oups.com...
| On May 7, 10:30 pm, "Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote:
| > Not much if you are legal since legal people don't have much problem in
| > getting genuine and legal documents such as government issued IDs.
|
| Depends on where you live... In the US might be easier because they
| accept more pieces as "ID", but let me put it this way... in Canada
| the SIN (which is like an SSN) is not ID, it is only to be used for
| tax purposes. I used to verify SIN cards for student loans (since this
| is a tax/income matter). Health cards in Ontario (where I live) are
| not ID. They would not allow me to pick up my credit card at the bank
| with just my driver's license, and everything else I have "is not
| valid ID". I had to go home and get my passport (which I safeguard and
| don't carry with me).
|
| One of my friends cannot drive a car (because she is visually
| impaired), but she has a birth certificate (Ontario), health card
| (Ontario), and SIN card. She can't even open a bank account with these
| documents, she needs to apply for a passport. Now to get a passport,
| they want two pieces of ID plus birth certificate. I don't know which
| two, but I'm not sure if she even has two.
|
| I couldn't get a health card in Ontario for two months because I could
| not prove my address. The bank would not reroute my mail because they
| wanted proof of the new address (so thus all my bank statements went
| to my old address until that problem was fixed), and I quit my job
| when I moved, so I had no income/pay stubs with the new address until
| I got a new job. I had no lease, and no bills in my name. The sum of
| that, no health care as I was no longer a resident of the previous
| province, and could not prove residency in Ontario. I know I got it
| straightened out, but it was a huge hassle... moving in with a spouse
| who already has a lease, and bills in his name, not needing to get any
| new bills (and they do not accept credit cards or cell phone bills,
| which is all I had). Not having a job right away, and it wasn't as if
| I was collecting benefits that would be mailed to me. If memory
| serves, I got added to the lease in order to prove residency, but it
| was a huge hassle, and in the end, that beautiful laminated health
| card is not even ID.
|
| Funny about that... last time I was in the US, and asked to show ID
| when paying by Visa, I showed them the Ontario Health Card just to see
| if they reacted with "I need a driver's license or passport" or
| anything like that. Everyone in Illinois, Michigan and Indiana took it
| as ID to prove I was me paying by credit card. In Quebec, the sun card
| (health card) is ID there, and valid to be used to apply for a
| driver's license. At the time I had it, I had no driver's license and
| I needed to show ID to pay by credit card or check, not sure what I
| was doing. She wouldn't take it because "it's in French, and I can't
| read it". Driver's licenses in Quebec are also only in French. I just
| travel with an IDP, problems solved.
|
| So it depends where you live... Ontario is a pain in the butt to get
| ID. As a person who moved here to become established, I had one heck
| of a time convincing anyone I was who I said I was, because I either
| didn't have "legal ID" (as in, it's government issued, but not ID), or
| enough pieces of ID. I remember when I was allowed to apply for my
| Canadian passport after citizenship, I told the guy processing my
| application, "now I finally have three pieces of ID" (Citizenship
| card, driver's license, Canadian passport). He said, "that's not ID,
| it's a travel document, you can't use a passport for ID!!" (And he
| works for the government of Canada???) I really don't get this place
| sometimes...
|
| S.
|
The Real ID Act is not Canadian but rather a US law, is it?
May 10th 2007, 1:57 am
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Re: Real ID act
On May 9, 12:11 am, "Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote:
> The Real ID Act is not Canadian but rather a US law, is it?
thankful for small favours. I don't know if I could take a "Real ID
Act" in Canada, and then have them tell me I can't get "real ID"
because I don't have enough ID to prove I'm really me for the "real
ID". Ironically, I have a hand up because I'm an immigrant, so I'm
fortunate enough to have two passports, a citizenship ID card, and now
a driver's license. Seems that the Canada born citizens are the ones
getting a raw deal when it comes to proper ID. I know about the ID
woes in Ontario because I used to take ID as part of my job, and lots
of seniors no longer drove or travelled, and didn't have much ID...
big hassle for them everywhere else. We're allowed to take SIN card as
proof of ID to deliver registered mail, but most people won't take it.
S.
> The Real ID Act is not Canadian but rather a US law, is it?
thankful for small favours. I don't know if I could take a "Real ID
Act" in Canada, and then have them tell me I can't get "real ID"
because I don't have enough ID to prove I'm really me for the "real
ID". Ironically, I have a hand up because I'm an immigrant, so I'm
fortunate enough to have two passports, a citizenship ID card, and now
a driver's license. Seems that the Canada born citizens are the ones
getting a raw deal when it comes to proper ID. I know about the ID
woes in Ontario because I used to take ID as part of my job, and lots
of seniors no longer drove or travelled, and didn't have much ID...
big hassle for them everywhere else. We're allowed to take SIN card as
proof of ID to deliver registered mail, but most people won't take it.
S.
May 10th 2007, 2:32 am
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Re: Real ID act
On May 7, 6:30 pm, Les <[email protected]> wrote:
> I am just learning of the real ID act of 2005.
> What of any impact will this have on the immigration scenerio?
heard on the radio just this morning. it appeared that it may not be
implemented. due to disagreements over state control. that is pretty
much the gist, could not seem to recall the complete commentary (was
driving)
> I am just learning of the real ID act of 2005.
> What of any impact will this have on the immigration scenerio?
heard on the radio just this morning. it appeared that it may not be
implemented. due to disagreements over state control. that is pretty
much the gist, could not seem to recall the complete commentary (was
driving)
