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Had some good news today. When the industry is getting decimated, we’ve added a new route. Alaska confirmed today the service to Alaska will start in February. Helps me sleep just a little easier.

Always a plus.

I feel bad for all my old coworkers, most are still on furlough with no sign of going back. Management is okay though, they kept their jobs, but they can't sit in their office anymore and slugging it on the ramp....


Is it a mainline route or E-175?

These new routes may explain why Vancouver went back to Q-400's recently.

Alaska being optimistic for January, Vancouver might see 3 daily flights instead of 2. (usually have around 6-9 per day depending on season)

Delta is down to 1 daily to Seattle ( usually 10-15 daily flights depending on season, SEA, MSP, ATL, JFK, DTW, SLC usually served) but looking optimistic for January, maybe see 2 flights to Seattle.

American pulled service completely in Sept, but they are optimistic for 1 daily to DFW in January. (they usually have 5 average daily flights, between DFW, ORD and PHX)

United has a few flights a day to SFO and sometimes DEN, their schedule is less consistent and hard to follow, one day they fly one day they don't, but being a AC partner helps them since Canadian's can fly to the US and back to Canada, and AC can route people through United's network.



My local airport lost all US service, it's not a designated entry point during COVID, usually we have service to Seattle on Alaska.









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If you like older photos of airlines from the past, although San Diego specific, still a lot of neat photos of the past, many of the airlines no longer existing.

https://jonproctor.net/san-diego-through-the-years/
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There is a small but very busy city airport near us...at least it used to be busy. From our window we can see all the planes parked at the airport. They have been this way since March and the will probably remain in situ all through the brutal Canadian winter. I wonder how safe the planes will be after sitting there for approx a year?
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There is a small but very busy city airport near us...at least it used to be busy. From our window we can see all the planes parked at the airport. They have been this way since March and the will probably remain in situ all through the brutal Canadian winter. I wonder how safe the planes will be after sitting there for approx a year?
Engineers would be doing regular maintenance checks on them. Keeping an aircraft grounded in a harsh environment I wouldn’t have thought is ideal though.
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There is a small but very busy city airport near us...at least it used to be busy. From our window we can see all the planes parked at the airport. They have been this way since March and the will probably remain in situ all through the brutal Canadian winter. I wonder how safe the planes will be after sitting there for approx a year?
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Engineers would be doing regular maintenance checks on them. Keeping an aircraft grounded in a harsh environment I wouldn’t have thought is ideal though.

Sounds like she might be talking about Porter, they use a small but usually busy airport, and have been grounded voluntarily since March. Small airline only flying Q400's, they simply lack the money to fund operations with passenger traffic so low, not enough passengers to bring in the revenue needed to cover operations, not flying at all conserves cash.

They initially were going to resume service again in June, then it was pushed back, then back again, then November, pushed back to December and now it's been pushed back to February.

They are also in a legal battle with the airport they use in Toronto, airline is suing the airport for fees paid for unused slots, and airport is counter suing the airline.






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Sounds like she might be talking about Porter, they use a small but usually busy airport, and have been grounded voluntarily since March. Small airline only flying Q400's, they simply lack the money to fund operations with passenger traffic so low, not enough passengers to bring in the revenue needed to cover operations, not flying at all conserves cash.

They initially were going to resume service again in June, then it was pushed back, then back again, then November, pushed back to December and now it's been pushed back to February.

They are also in a legal battle with the airport they use in Toronto, airline is suing the airport for fees paid for unused slots, and airport is counter suing the airline.
Correct...I didn’t want to name the airline because I know they are struggling.
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There are standard procedures for long term grounding but periodic servicing has to continue in order to retain serviceability. A plane is almost a living entity in that respect. Hence the high costs for companies when they are not flying.
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QANTAS to outsource all airports remaining in Australia, 2,000 jobs lost.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/comp...30-p56j3v.html

The airline rejected the employees proposal, the employees had been allowed to bid to keep their jobs but the airlines has decided to go with 3rd party vendors.
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At 9am, Dec 4, 1991 Pan Am ceased operations.

Pan Am had filed Chapter 11 reorganization in January of 1991, Delta provided some $100 million in cash, and paid $416 million for various Pan Am assets, European routes, Pan Am terminal at JFK, some 45 aircraft, Pan Am shuttle to name a few) and Pan Am was going to reorganize, into a Miami based airline concentrating on Caribbean, Central and South America destinations.

By end of November 1991 with the smaller Pan Am revenue shortfalls growing, Delta chose not to provide the cash injection that Pan Am was to be given the weekend after Thanksgiving, last minute talks were held with TWA but in the end a deal could not be made, and at 9:00am, Pan Am management shut the airline down.

Delta was sued by Pan Am Creditors Committee as well as employees of Pan Am, however a federal judge ruled in Delta's favor in 1994, ruling Delta was not liable for the demise of Pan Am.

1991 was a bad year for airlines, Eastern and Midway also ceased operations in 1991.

Eastern going under also paved the way for Delta to take over Atlanta and create the monster hub we know today.







Took another 15 years but some employees did get a small % of what they were owed wage wise by the company in 1991.

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna14941429

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Man jumps fence at Las Vegas Airport, then climbs onto wing of an Alaska Airlines flight, then falls off wing and is arrested.

https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-news/man-arrested-for-jumping-mccarran-fence-walking-on-wing-of-airplane/amp/

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VAS Aviation has some of the communications that took place during yesterday's event in Las Vegas.

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COVID is bringing a year of surprises from Southwest, adding all kinds of city's they likely never would have if not for the pandemic, but they are adding Fresno, California & Santa Barbara, California to their route network 2nd qtr 2021.

Southwest currently serves 11 city's in California, and these 2 will bring them to 13.

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Canadian airlines can begin training their 737MAX pilots next month in preparations for return to service, however the plane is not yet cleared to fly in Canada.

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At 9am, Dec 4, 1991 Pan Am ceased operations.

Pan Am had filed Chapter 11 reorganization in January of 1991, Delta provided some $100 million in cash, and paid $416 million for various Pan Am assets, European routes, Pan Am terminal at JFK, some 45 aircraft, Pan Am shuttle to name a few) and Pan Am was going to reorganize, into a Miami based airline concentrating on Caribbean, Central and South America destinations.

By end of November 1991 with the smaller Pan Am revenue shortfalls growing, Delta chose not to provide the cash injection that Pan Am was to be given the weekend after Thanksgiving, last minute talks were held with TWA but in the end a deal could not be made, and at 9:00am, Pan Am management shut the airline down.

Delta was sued by Pan Am Creditors Committee as well as employees of Pan Am, however a federal judge ruled in Delta's favor in 1994, ruling Delta was not liable for the demise of Pan Am.

1991 was a bad year for airlines, Eastern and Midway also ceased operations in 1991.

Eastern going under also paved the way for Delta to take over Atlanta and create the monster hub we know today.

https://youtu.be/b-KarUJQ6v0






Took another 15 years but some employees did get a small % of what they were owed wage wise by the company in 1991.

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna14941429
As a youngster, 'Pan Am' was just the coolest name, and the coolest logo. And of course, they featured in 2001-A Space Odyssey' as the commercial operators of the earth-moon flights. I then got to fly them from SF to Hong Kong on business, and I was so impressed that I was able to fly with them. What a sad demise of such an icon!

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