scrubbedexpat142

Wingwalker Stearman ditched in Poole Bay harbour during the Bournemouth air display at weekend. Both occupants recovered with just minor injuries, aircraft also recovered with severe injury.

robin1234

https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/09...h-landing/amp/

My daughter just sent me this, it’s her local airport. Cape Air flight crashes. Am I correct, “crash” is simply not the right verb for this event .. skids off runway?

We take this airline all the time, not usually into p’town though.

civilservant

Landing incident I think would be more appropriate. I too wouldn't call a runway excursion a crash. To me, 'crash' implies an uncommanded intersection with the surface of the earth.

markonline1

Correct term would be a runway excursion. For the media, crash probably works though.

robin1234

Looking at more recent reports, I see all on board were injured, some seriously, and the plane was on fire. So maybe that influenced the choice of words. I think it was caused by bad weather..

markonline1

At both the airports I’ve worked at, an incident like that would be classed as an aircraft crash for emergency notification, fire or no fire.

Edit. Just had a look at some pics. Looks like the plane went into some undergrowth or trees. It was only a twin Cessna type thing, I can see how people were injured.

scrubbedexpat091

Doesn't really matter what an aviation term might be when it comes to media, they will use words people understand, and crash seems to fit well enough.

From the dictionary: (of a vehicle) collide violently with an obstacle or another vehicle.

Based on the photos, I guess the definition of collide violently could be debated, but it looks violet enough of a collision with trees (the obstacle) where I would say crash even if the cause was runway excursion, most general readers of the media will understand crash, but not necessarily runway excursion.

civilservant

The damage to the aircraft certainly would merit the 'crash' moniker IMO.

robin1234

Absolutely, but when I first posted, the initial reports simply stated that the plane had skidded off the runway. No suggestion of a fire, or that there’d been any injuries.

Over the last twenty years or so, we’ve taken dozens of flights with Cape Air, mostly into or out of Boston from one or other of our small regional airports up here. (Only once have I flown into Provincetown, and I did notice that the trees are awfully close to the runway there. To get to Cape Cod from Boston, it’s cheaper and just as easy to take a ferry or a bus.)

Being a Cessna 402, there’s only ever one crew member, the pilot. They always inspire confidence, on at least two occasions they were ex-Israeli Air Force pilots. I always thought Cape Air had only ever had one serious incident, when a pilot was killed coming in to West Tisbury on a repositioning flight.

Looking in the last few days for updates on this Provincetown incident, I was surprised to see quite a few incidents of accidents on landing, skidding off the runway etc. I suppose when there are no injuries, as in most of the historical accidents, the airline is able to keep news of it to a minimum.

scrubbedexpat091

Columbus, OH airport posted this photo on their IG on 9/11 from 20 years earlier, almost every airline in that photo is gone now.

I worked for America West back then, although not at that airport, its a little mini hub for us still in 2001. (3rd picture in the slide show, although 2nd photo only 1 of those airlines still exist.)

TWA by Sept 2001 had already been acquired by American Airlines.

Northwest would down the road merge with Delta.

America West merged with US Airways and then further down the road US Airways merged with AA.

Midwest was bought by private equity group TPG and Northwest airlines in 2007 acquired Midwest for $17 per share and a total deal of $450 million, then about 22 months later TPG and Northwest turned around and sold Midwest to Republic Airways for just $30 million taking a massive loss on their buying of Midwest, Republic then merged Midwest into Frontier who they also owned ending Midwest brand.

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scrubbedexpat091

PSA wholly regional of AA must be hurting for pilots, they are offering a pretty package and direct entry to Captain for those qualified. They must be hurting for pilots.

Also applies to Piedmont and Envoy who are also wholly owned regionals of AA

PSA to also offer new pay structure to Direct Entry Captains:
Year 1 Compensation: $137,500
- $77,000 Base Salary
- $30,000 completion of upgrade training.
- $15,000 sign on bonus
- $15,000 for prior 121
Year 2: $143,000
- $78,000 Base Salary
- $50,000 Bonus paid at end of second year (details not yet clearly defined on company website)
Flow date:
- $70,000 bonus paid upon flow date to AA

Lion in Winter

It isn't really a "spot", since I was just at the airport going somewhere. But anyway...

This was getting on the little guy from Manchester to Dublin. It's not often I get to walk out on the tarmac to get on a plane.

civilservant

Not a fan of the A320, but it's always nice to be able to get up close and personal with a bird.

Lion in Winter

I'm pretty much ok with any plane that stays up in the air. What's wrong with them?

civilservant

Oh nothing mechanically, they perform thousands of flights everyday and I wouldn't hesitate to fly one (in fact I did ECP-ATL in August) I just prefer Boeing products aesthetic value.