Planespotting II
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Re: Planespotting II
No excuse IMHO for a crash caused by weather, i.e. visibility, crosswind or runway contamination. There are exceptions I think, with unexpected severe wind shear/microburst activity.
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Re: Planespotting II
14 dead now including both pilots. There have been a lot of runway excursions recently! Not familiar with that airport, but looking at that runway, it’s crying out for an EMAS. We had the same issue. A big drop at the end of our runway, if anything overshot, it was certain death. The FAA, which has always been way behind ICAO standards, finally mandated safety areas at runway ends. We couldn’t meet the criteria, hence the installation of EMAS beds. As you can see, it’s a long way down!!!!
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Re: Planespotting II
Quite the cliff.
San Diego has EMAS bed at the west end of their runway, the east end does not though, but no cliff at either end. West end if you got through the EMAS is a fence, ILS stuff, then water. The east end, aircraft would face a blast fence, parking lot, major road, and then a building, EMAS isn't possible at the east end from what I understand.
San Diego has EMAS bed at the west end of their runway, the east end does not though, but no cliff at either end. West end if you got through the EMAS is a fence, ILS stuff, then water. The east end, aircraft would face a blast fence, parking lot, major road, and then a building, EMAS isn't possible at the east end from what I understand.
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Re: Planespotting II
According to this source who appears to have gotten confirmation from Qantas spokesperson, Qantas will be sending most of their 787 fleet to store in California, some will remain in Australia.
https://www.executivetraveller.com/n...rt-for-storage
https://www.executivetraveller.com/n...rt-for-storage
""The humidity in California is much lower than in Australia, so it’s much better for long-term storage of aircraft – the same reason why we’ve moved our A380s there. All of the aircraft will be looked after by our Los Angeles-based engineering team.""
I assumed the humidity in the inland desert areas of Australia would be very much like the inland desert in California (Note - this applies only to the inland desert areas of CA, such as Mojave; coastal CA is 'moderately humid').
Could it be that there's plenty of dry spots in Australia, but there are no active storage areas for planes in those locations, unlike in CA (and AZ) which have vast storage spaces dedicated to airplane storage? I did drive through Victorville a few times and it's quite amazing to see all the aircraft there! And that was 10 years ago, before the current situation! Maybe it's time for me to drive through Victorville again (it's a rather crappy area ...).
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Re: Planespotting II
It appears that Calicut, where the plane crashed, is not the sort of runway that you want to slide off/ over-run. Obviously that is never good at any airport, but Calicut is an airport where leaving the paved area is never going to end well!
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Re: Planespotting II
14 dead now including both pilots. There have been a lot of runway excursions recently! Not familiar with that airport, but looking at that runway, it’s crying out for an EMAS. We had the same issue. A big drop at the end of our runway, if anything overshot, it was certain death. The FAA, which has always been way behind ICAO standards, finally mandated safety areas at runway ends. We couldn’t meet the criteria, hence the installation of EMAS beds. As you can see, it’s a long way down!!!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_358
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Re: Planespotting II
14 dead now including both pilots. There have been a lot of runway excursions recently! Not familiar with that airport, but looking at that runway, it’s crying out for an EMAS. We had the same issue. A big drop at the end of our runway, if anything overshot, it was certain death. The FAA, which has always been way behind ICAO standards, finally mandated safety areas at runway ends. We couldn’t meet the criteria, hence the installation of EMAS beds. As you can see, it’s a long way down!!!!
https://www.faa.gov/news/fact_sheets...m?newsId=13754
Fact Sheet – Engineered Material Arresting System (EMAS)
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Re: Planespotting II
You need to help out us less educated folks
https://www.faa.gov/news/fact_sheets...m?newsId=13754
https://www.faa.gov/news/fact_sheets...m?newsId=13754
Fact Sheet – Engineered Material Arresting System (EMAS)
Sorry. I didn’t want to make a boring post even more boring by adding a load of detail LOL. You’ve obviously read the fact sheet. Blocks of crushable concrete. Weird stuff, each block is as light as a feather and when you stand on them you can feel a slight spring. Anyway, runway length and aircraft types are calculated to build a bed of these blocks that crush and bring the aircraft to a safe stop whilst causing minimal, if any damage to the aircraft. Southwest went into the EMAS at Burbank last year. The pax on board weren’t even aware anything had happened. The NTSB didn’t even bother putting their coffee’s down, let alone attend, so it’s good stuff.
Europe has followed the ICAO standard of a runway end safety area, basically level and load bearing ground to support an aircraft in a runoff. The FAA has only recently introduced this safety area, and a lot of airports, such is ours just weren’t able to accommodate a safety area, hence an EMAS. There’s 60 odd dotted around the US.
Last edited by markonline1; Aug 7th 2020 at 9:07 pm.
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Re: Planespotting II
Sorry. I didn’t want to make a boring post even more boring by adding a load of detail LOL. You’ve obviously read the fact sheet. Blocks of crushable concrete. Weird stuff, each block is as light as a feather and when you stand on them you can feel a slight spring. Anyway, runway length and aircraft types are calculated to build a bed of these blocks that crush and bring the aircraft to a safe stop whilst causing minimal, if any damage to the aircraft. Southwest went into the EMAS at Burbank last year. The pax on board weren’t even aware anything had happened. The NTSB didn’t even bother putting their coffee’s down, let alone attend, so it’s good stuff.
Europe has followed the ICAO standard of a runway end safety area, basically level and load bearing ground to support an aircraft in a runoff. The FAA has only recently introduced this safety area, and a lot of airports, such is ours just weren’t able to accommodate a safety area, hence an EMAS. There’s 60 odd dotted around the US.
Europe has followed the ICAO standard of a runway end safety area, basically level and load bearing ground to support an aircraft in a runoff. The FAA has only recently introduced this safety area, and a lot of airports, such is ours just weren’t able to accommodate a safety area, hence an EMAS. There’s 60 odd dotted around the US.
Certainly an improvement over 2000 incident in Burbank
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Re: Planespotting II