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Old Oct 25th 2019, 1:47 am
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It's going to need to fly a few years accident free before I am willing to trust one.

Oh well most of my flights are on Delta, and they don't have any MAX aircraft and didn't order any so wont have to worry about getting one.

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I would be more than a little apprehensive about flying on a 737 Max. anytime soon.
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Originally Posted by Jsmth321
Oh well most of my flights are on Delta, and they don't have any MAX aircraft and didn't order any so wont have to worry about getting one.
As if flying on a 40 year old 717 or Mad Dog is any better
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Southwest to fly Airbus? Let’s hope so!
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That would be a MASSIVE blow for Boeing.

Although one suspects that it's just another tactic to get some lower prices for a future order and/or further concessions on current orders. Their entire setup is geared to the 737, as a minimum they would have to retrain every.single.one.of.their.pilots.

That alone is a huge expense, and would damage their business model.
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Nah mostly A320s, 737NG & Embrarers out my way. 717 and MD90 are rarities.

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I think its more of a bussiness tactic than anything else. They are seeking reimbursement from Boeing at the moment and what better way as the biggest 737 operator to put pressure on Boeing than threatning to find a new supplier.

With 700 some odd 737s not even sure Airbus has the capacity to be a sole supplier. American ended up splitting orders between Airbus and Boeing as neither had the capacity to provide enough aircraft in the time frame AA needed.

Originally Posted by civilservant
That would be a MASSIVE blow for Boeing.

Although one suspects that it's just another tactic to get some lower prices for a future order and/or further concessions on current orders. Their entire setup is geared to the 737, as a minimum they would have to retrain every.single.one.of.their.pilots.

That alone is a huge expense, and would damage their business model.
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With 700 some odd 737s not even sure Airbus has the capacity to be a sole supplier.
Over time they would, but no, they could never just swap from one to the other on a tuesday.

If Airbus builds anything like the number Boeing does, it would take something like 18 months to replace Southwests entire fleet, and that's if they weren't building/delivering A320s to any other airline during that time.
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My guess for Southwest is they make a deal with Boeing, get nicely compensated, and life moves on.

Now upside to A320/A321 if Southwest did switch and took up the option of using cans and loaders is it can be loaded and unloaded in 1/2 the time of a 737 with less ramp staff so there could possibly be savings there, but then you need expensive loaders at every station and have to buy/maintain or lease cans and keep track of them.

I don't know if any US airlines use cans on their A320/A321 aircraft, I know Delta and United don't, but United does have magic carpets in some (maybe all?) not sure about AA, Spirit or Alaska.

Magic carpet helps as a single person can load/unload the bin with one where without you need 2 people.

From a ramp perspective if hand loading, the Airbus is nicer overall, taller bins, wider doors and because of its height when pushing back off the gate more visibility for the push back driver.

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Originally Posted by Jsmth321

From a ramp perspective if hand loading, the Airbus is nicer overall, taller bins, wider doors and because of its height when pushing back off the gate more visibility for the push back driver.

From a pilot’s perspective, Airbus is nicer overall.

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US is restricting flights from the US to Cuba, only allowing airlines to serve Havana effective December 10.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...5ce_story.html

US airlines currently fly to 9 Cuban destinations in total.

Charter flights will still be permitted, this appears to only affect scheduled flights.
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Australian airline Qantas has grounded one of its Boeing 737 NG planes after discovering "cracking" in one section.
The carrier said several airlines were inspecting their 737 NG fleets after Boeing revealed an area near the wing may be prone to cracking.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-50244699

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Some NGs have been in service since 1997 - so cracking would not exactly be that uncommon after so many cycles.

'Abundance of caution' should really lead to humans never taking to the skies in the first place, but since that's not going to happen, travelling in a machine that travels a mile up at 500mph without the need for breathing apparatus is pretty remarkable.

I really think everyone is just piling on Boeing right now, the way they did with McDonald Douglas over the cargo door failures on the MD10.

The above really isn't news. It's routine maintenance.
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Originally Posted by civilservant
Some NGs have been in service since 1997 - so cracking would not exactly be that uncommon after so many cycles.

'Abundance of caution' should really lead to humans never taking to the skies in the first place, but since that's not going to happen, travelling in a machine that travels a mile up at 500mph without the need for breathing apparatus is pretty remarkable.

I really think everyone is just piling on Boeing right now, the way they did with McDonald Douglas over the cargo door failures on the MD10.

The above really isn't news. It's routine maintenance.
Wouldn't have a clue about any of that, I just posted it because I thought JS might be interested.
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Australian airline Qantas has grounded one of its Boeing 737 NG planes after discovering "cracking" in one section.
The carrier said several airlines were inspecting their 737 NG fleets after Boeing revealed an area near the wing may be prone to cracking.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-50244699
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Some NGs have been in service since 1997 - so cracking would not exactly be that uncommon after so many cycles.

'Abundance of caution' should really lead to humans never taking to the skies in the first place, but since that's not going to happen, travelling in a machine that travels a mile up at 500mph without the need for breathing apparatus is pretty remarkable.

I really think everyone is just piling on Boeing right now, the way they did with McDonald Douglas over the cargo door failures on the MD10.

The above really isn't news. It's routine maintenance.
Hmmm...

"Boeing had previous thought the cracks were only occurring on aircraft with over 35,000 landings, the issue has now been identified on two Qantas aircraft with as few as 27,000 landings and Qantas are yet to inspect the majority of its 737 fleet." (emphasis added)
Steve Purvinas, Federal Secretary of the Australian Licensed Aircraft Engiineers Association.


Quntas's response (quote): The Oneworld carrier says it "rejects the alarmist claims" for grounding made by the engineers' association which, it argues, are "irresponsible and completely inconsistent with advice from regulators and the manufacturer".
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It's not routine maintenance which is why its news. The issue is with the pickle fork a part of the aircraft that is supposed to last the lifetime of the aircraft, its not a part normally replaced during the lifetime of the aircraft. This part simply should not be cracking at all let alone after relatively low cycles.

The issue may not have been found if an affected aircraft had not been undergoing conversation from passenger to cargo which is how the issue was detected.

Boeing has set up a temporary facility in California to do the repairs.

90,000 cycles is what the 737NG is certified for and how long the pickle fork is supposed to last, cracks were found in aircraft with far lower cycles which is an issue.










Originally Posted by civilservant
Some NGs have been in service since 1997 - so cracking would not exactly be that uncommon after so many cycles.

'Abundance of caution' should really lead to humans never taking to the skies in the first place, but since that's not going to happen, travelling in a machine that travels a mile up at 500mph without the need for breathing apparatus is pretty remarkable.

I really think everyone is just piling on Boeing right now, the way they did with McDonald Douglas over the cargo door failures on the MD10.

The above really isn't news. It's routine maintenance.
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