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WEBlue Mar 28th 2020 4:47 am

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Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12828628)
So the world is going to be different after the dust settles, in some very profound ways, sometimes predictable, and almost certainly in some unpredictable ways too, but I'm sure that there will also be many smaller changes in the way society functions .... What relatively little things do you think will change?

I'll start - I think that shaking hands as a greeting is done. Finished.

I agree. Maybe the Japanese bow will spread all over the world....

Just been listening to an NYC ICU doctor who says strict social distancing should happen for at least a year after the purported "end" of this initial CV wave, in order to keep the inevitable future spikes low, because there WILL be successive waves of CV until an effective vaccine is developed.

ss120396 Mar 28th 2020 2:30 pm

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Originally Posted by WEBlue (Post 12828649)
Just been listening to an NYC ICU doctor who says strict social distancing should happen for at least a year after the purported "end" of this initial CV wave, in order to keep the inevitable future spikes low, because there WILL be successive waves of CV until an effective vaccine is developed.

That's just not going to happen. Strict social distancing can't and won't continue for a year straight. What will happen is that the various social distancing measures will have on/off triggers based on hospital cases. There are so many variables up in the air, such as what we don't know about the virus (true infection/death rate, how it will respond to the summer), and how we might be able to respond to it (enhanced test-trace regime, antiviral drugs). Hard to know how it will all turn out, but hopefully these variables will come down in a way that minimizes the percent of next year that needs to be spent in strict social distance mode.

Pulaski Mar 28th 2020 2:44 pm

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Originally Posted by ss120396 (Post 12828846)
That's just not going to happen. Strict social distancing can't and won't continue for a year straight. ....

On the contrary, I think that many people, even "most", will follow aspects of social distancing even when the instructions to do so come to an end. It isn't going to be long before everyone knows someone who has died - and that will make the issue very real for most people. This isn't some grand governmental conspircy, people are dying, and the only tools we have at the moment to slow the spread, are fastidious cleanliness and social distancing.

So, following the above, and going back to the topic of this thread (more or less - this is a bit bigger than I had in mind :( ), I think that businesses and activities that force people together in a (relatively) small space are going to be in long-term trouble - cinemas, concert venues, sports venues, and cruise ships are all likely to see a significant permanent, or at least very long termdecline in their number of customers.

moneypenny20 Mar 29th 2020 12:37 am

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Originally Posted by ss120396 (Post 12828846)
There are so many variables up in the air, such as what we don't know about the virus (true infection/death rate, how it will respond to the summer),

Because nowhere in the world has been been going through summer whilst COVID has been a thing... Good to know the southern hemisphere doesn't exist for some. :lol:

robin1234 Mar 29th 2020 1:46 am

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Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 12828965)
Because nowhere in the world has been been goung through summer whilst COVID has been a thing... Good to know the southern hemisphere doesn't exist for some. :lol:

Yes that’s been puzzling me too! :lol:
Also, I understand they can get warm weather in Singapore once in a while.

Pulaski Mar 29th 2020 1:51 am

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Originally Posted by robin1234 (Post 12828993)
Yes that’s been puzzling me too! :lol:
Also, I understand they can get warm weather in Singapore once in a while.

The theory a few weeks ago was that the cases in Singapore were mostly cases imported directly from China. India is more of a conundrum, but I suspect that the numbers there are already substantially under-tested and under-reported.

Nutmegger Mar 29th 2020 2:13 am

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Originally Posted by WEBlue (Post 12828649)
I agree. Maybe the Japanese bow will spread all over the world....

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I also like the "hands together in front" style of the namaste greeting.

moneypenny20 Mar 29th 2020 11:25 am

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Originally Posted by robin1234 (Post 12828993)
Yes that’s been puzzling me too! :lol:
Also, I understand they can get warm weather in Singapore once in a while.

That pesky always summer on the equator milarky?? Maybe the poster got caught up in Trump's 'it'll be over in April when the part of the US he inhabits, starts warming up' bullshit. :confused:


petitefrancaise Mar 29th 2020 11:36 am

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Originally Posted by OldJuddian (Post 12829181)
I was thinking about this today.

Also expect a lot of divorces, too much time together.

Or they decide that life is just too precious to spend it with someone that doesn't make you happy???

Do you think the French will stop kissing each other?? GOD! I hope so.

Since the end of year/course exams have all been cancelled and yet the universities will still accept students - managing to find other ways of assessing them - I am sincerely hoping that exams are a thing of the past. The stress my kids have been through due to them has been horrendous.

And NOT a little thing but maybe the people in the "frontlines" will be given as much money as defence?

And definitely NOT a little thing but having listed to Cuomo talking about how he plans to make the NY hospital system work together, maybe, just maybe we will see the health system change. Not to mention the health insurance companies going bust.

petitefrancaise Mar 30th 2020 4:31 am

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as per BE site rules - I'm not going to go into detail or name the person concerned. However, I received a particularly unpleasant "karma" regarding my previous post here which I think is completely unwarranted. I have reported it to site admin.
Might I suggest that rather than sending unpleasant messages via "karma" the person concerned just takes a step back. We're all stressed and being nasty to others doesn't help anyone at all.

christmasoompa Mar 30th 2020 4:56 am

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Originally Posted by petitefrancaise (Post 12829586)
as per BE site rules - I'm not going to go into detail or name the person concerned. However, I received a particularly unpleasant "karma" regarding my previous post here which I think is completely unwarranted. I have reported it to site admin.
Might I suggest that rather than sending unpleasant messages via "karma" the person concerned just takes a step back. We're all stressed and being nasty to others doesn't help anyone at all.

Just to say, we haven't had this report - try again? Although somehow I think the mods can guess who it might be from………sigh.

Jerseygirl Mar 30th 2020 5:20 am

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Originally Posted by petitefrancaise (Post 12829586)
as per BE site rules - I'm not going to go into detail or name the person concerned. However, I received a particularly unpleasant "karma" regarding my previous post here which I think is completely unwarranted. I have reported it to site admin.
Might I suggest that rather than sending unpleasant messages via "karma" the person concerned just takes a step back. We're all stressed and being nasty to others doesn't help anyone at all.

just to be clear sending nasty/insulting karma messages is likely to get the sender banned. IMO It is a cowardly, underhanded practice.

anyone receiving such karma messages or PMs...please report them.

EDIT: just to add...this person has a habit of doing this and it must stop. You know who you are.

sid nv Mar 30th 2020 2:26 pm

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Originally Posted by petitefrancaise (Post 12829586)
as per BE site rules - I'm not going to go into detail or name the person concerned. However, I received a particularly unpleasant "karma" regarding my previous post here which I think is completely unwarranted. I have reported it to site admin.
Might I suggest that rather than sending unpleasant messages via "karma" the person concerned just takes a step back. We're all stressed and being nasty to others doesn't help anyone at all.

Sneeze in said person's general direction.


ss120396 Mar 31st 2020 2:22 am

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Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12828848)
On the contrary, I think that many people, even "most", will follow aspects of social distancing even when the instructions to do so come to an end. It isn't going to be long before everyone knows someone who has died - and that will make the issue very real for most people. This isn't some grand governmental conspircy, people are dying, and the only tools we have at the moment to slow the spread, are fastidious cleanliness and social distancing.

So, following the above, and going back to the topic of this thread (more or less - this is a bit bigger than I had in mind :( ), I think that businesses and activities that force people together in a (relatively) small space are going to be in long-term trouble - cinemas, concert venues, sports venues, and cruise ships are all likely to see a significant permanent, or at least very long termdecline in their number of customers.

I definitely agree that people will be more hesitant to participate in those things for a while. What I meant is that, I don't think that the current "shelter in place" regime called by the government in most states and adopted voluntarily by many people in others - will continue for a year straight, and I'm not aware of anyone, even the doctors and scientists most concerned about the virus, considering that as a serious possibility. People may be more cautious about high density social events, and they may work from home more often. Social distancing measures may be ratcheted up and down repeatedly as appropriate. But not leaving the house except for groceries for a whole year straight will not happen. That's what I mean by "strict social distancing".

ss120396 Mar 31st 2020 2:28 am

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Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 12828965)
Because nowhere in the world has been been going through summer whilst COVID has been a thing... Good to know the southern hemisphere doesn't exist for some. :lol:

Of course there are hot countries that have COVID, every scientist knows this. They are studying these countries intensely to understand more about how weather affects the virus. Incidentally, the spread doesn't seem to be as bad in those countries, though we can't say that's due to weather at this point because of all the confounding variables. We simply don't know enough about how summer will affect the trajectory of countries where the virus has already had considerable spread.

Yes, Trump is an idiot, no this won't be all over in 2 weeks or when summer comes. But that doesn't mean it won't have any effects on the spread.

ss120396 Mar 31st 2020 2:46 am

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Originally Posted by petitefrancaise (Post 12829192)
Since the end of year/course exams have all been cancelled and yet the universities will still accept students - managing to find other ways of assessing them - I am sincerely hoping that exams are a thing of the past. The stress my kids have been through due to them has been horrendous.

Universities already make admissions decisions based on incomplete grades senior year - mostly based on exams people have already taken before. I don't see how this would lead to the elimination of exams. In the UK where, unlike the US, basically your entire performance in a course is determined by the end of year exams, people are freaking out. GCSE and A-level exams have been cancelled. Kids now going to be assessed by prior performance on mock exams they had no idea would mean anything. If anything this might lead to more exams and coursework throughout the year in countries where that is not the norm.


Originally Posted by petitefrancaise (Post 12829192)
And NOT a little thing but maybe the people in the "frontlines" will be given as much money as defence?

The federal government already spends way more on healthcare than it does on the military. And that's before you throw in state spending - which is tilted even more towards healthcare vs. defense than the federal budget. Anyway this whole thing strikes me as poor/nonexistent pandemic preparation strategies in Western countries, rather than underfunding.


Originally Posted by petitefrancaise (Post 12829192)
And definitely NOT a little thing but having listed to Cuomo talking about how he plans to make the NY hospital system work together, maybe, just maybe we will see the health system change. Not to mention the health insurance companies going bust.

I don't see how any of this would lead to major healthcare reform or the demise of insurance companies. I'm all for health reform that lowers costs, but I don't think that would help in a situation like this. The countries with public healthcare systems are having issues with ventilator and bed shortages just like everyone else. And by some measures the US is more prepared, with more ICU beds per capita than most other countries (though still far too few to weather the virus without social distancing).

AlienUk Apr 1st 2020 12:47 pm

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Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 12828965)
Because nowhere in the world has been been going through summer whilst COVID has been a thing... Good to know the southern hemisphere doesn't exist for some. :lol:

What I have noticed is most of the tropical countries, ie the Caribbean and Africa (with the exception of South Africa) have extremely low rates....Being of Jamaican descent, I have been watching Jamaica like a hawk and at present it has around 38 cases with 2 deaths....

scrubbedexpat096 Apr 1st 2020 5:19 pm

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Originally Posted by AlienUk (Post 12831375)
What I have noticed is most of the tropical countries, ie the Caribbean and Africa (with the exception of South Africa) have extremely low rates....Being of Jamaican descent, I have been watching Jamaica like a hawk and at present it has around 38 cases with 2 deaths....

44 now, didn't record first case until 9th of march...

They are just much earlier in the game, the same with most of the African countries, the exponential growth is starting to bear out.

So certainly doesn't look like being a 'tropical country' helps at all.

Pulaski Jul 29th 2020 10:26 am

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So one of the Republican Representatives from Texas, who is a coronavirus denier and mask sceptic, has, surprise, surprise, been diagnosed with covid-19. Unsurprisingly, since this news broke he has posited that he might have caught the virus because he was, on occasion, wearing a mask. :blink:

A Texas congressman who is often seen around the Capitol without a mask has tested positive for coronavirus.

Republican Louie Gohmert was due to fly with President Donald Trump to Texas on Wednesday and was routinely tested as part of White House travel protocol.

Mr Gohmert was pictured mingling with other officials on Tuesday during a hearing on Capitol Hill while not wearing a mask or socially distancing.

AlienUk Jul 29th 2020 10:28 am

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Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12889370)
So one of the Republican Representatives from Texas, who is a coronavirus denier and mask sceptic, has, surprise, surprise, been diagnosed with covid-19. Unsurprisingly, since this news broke he has posited that he might have caught the virus because he was, on occasion, wearing a mask. :blink:

A Texas congressman who is often seen around the Capitol without a mask has tested positive for coronavirus.

Republican Louie Gohmert was due to fly with President Donald Trump to Texas on Wednesday and was routinely tested as part of White House travel protocol.

Mr Gohmert was pictured mingling with other officials on Tuesday during a hearing on Capitol Hill while not wearing a mask or socially distancing.

Wow...how'd he manage to snare an imaginary virus with his mask?

Pulaski Jul 29th 2020 10:31 am

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Originally Posted by AlienUk (Post 12889372)
Wow...how'd he manage to snare an imaginary virus with his mask?

He'll be alright, after all it's just a little flu-like bug. :nod:

Steerpike Aug 1st 2020 5:37 pm

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Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12889373)
He'll be alright, after all it's just a little flu-like bug. :nod:

Can you link to some article where he blames it on wearing a mask? I'd love to see that!

moneypenny20 Aug 1st 2020 10:00 pm

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Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 12891039)
Can you link to some article where he blames it on wearing a mask? I'd love to see that!

The article is in Pulaski's previous post.

AlienUk Aug 1st 2020 10:59 pm

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He also gave an interview in which he pondered whether his mask was to blame for infecting him.

"I can't help but wonder if by keeping a mask on and keeping it in place, I might have put some germs - some virus - on to the mask and breathed it in," he told Texas station KETK.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53588843

Steerpike Aug 2nd 2020 6:08 am

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Originally Posted by AlienUk (Post 12891107)

Thanks! Amazing ...

The Mirror Aug 2nd 2020 6:20 am

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Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12889370)
So one of the Republican Representatives from Texas, who is a coronavirus denier and mask sceptic, has, surprise, surprise, been diagnosed with covid-19.

And Herman Cain passing away from the virus didn't exactly ruin my day either

Pulaski Aug 2nd 2020 6:45 am

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Originally Posted by AlienUk (Post 12891107)

@Steerpike

Which is exactly the same article (same URL) I had post a linked to, ... and this was pointed out above by @moneypenny20. :nod:

Steerpike Aug 2nd 2020 8:48 am

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Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12891267)
@Steerpike

Which is exactly the same article (same URL) I had post a linked to, ... and this was pointed out above by @moneypenny20. :nod:

Obviously I missed it. Some people use underline here in posts for emphasis, which is also the universal indicator for a url link. I often find myself clicking on the underlined text only to realize it's just underlined for emphasis! In this case, I must have assumed it was underlined for emphasis. Looks rather obvious now :)


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