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Feb 11th 2013, 6:58 pm
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I do not know the number now but some years back there was a report that 70% of the London costs were health tourists.
Feb 11th 2013, 7:11 pm
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Feb 11th 2013, 7:16 pm
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/the-nor...ria-manchester
I check the Guardian as I know its coverage will not be questioned here.
I check the Guardian as I know its coverage will not be questioned here.
Feb 11th 2013, 7:31 pm
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This guy has a lot of good things to say.
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Feb 11th 2013, 7:36 pm
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/the-nor...ria-manchester
I check the Guardian as I know its coverage will not be questioned here.
I check the Guardian as I know its coverage will not be questioned here.
Now that implies the balance sheet is in relatively good shape (for every £3 charged to foreign visitors, about £2 are recovered.) But I suspect for many patients, no attempt is made to charge them.
Feb 11th 2013, 8:01 pm
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This article says "..hospitals in 2010/11 charged overseas visitors more than £23m for treatment and wrote off just under £7m of debts."
Now that implies the balance sheet is in relatively good shape (for every £3 charged to foreign visitors, about £2 are recovered.) But I suspect for many patients, no attempt is made to charge them.
Now that implies the balance sheet is in relatively good shape (for every £3 charged to foreign visitors, about £2 are recovered.) But I suspect for many patients, no attempt is made to charge them.
Feb 11th 2013, 8:08 pm
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This article says "..hospitals in 2010/11 charged overseas visitors more than £23m for treatment and wrote off just under £7m of debts."
Now that implies the balance sheet is in relatively good shape (for every £3 charged to foreign visitors, about £2 are recovered.) But I suspect for many patients, no attempt is made to charge them.
Now that implies the balance sheet is in relatively good shape (for every £3 charged to foreign visitors, about £2 are recovered.) But I suspect for many patients, no attempt is made to charge them.
Feb 11th 2013, 8:29 pm
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The NHS struggles under the burden of immigration. Period.
I worked in London for a few weeks at the end of last year, (keeping my UK RN registration), and learned that 90% of patients are non-English speakers, 60% of births are to non-UK mothers, and interpreters are paid £100 per conversation.
Certainly in the 6 weeks I worked I could count the number of English patients on my fingers. And in A&E I see anything from 40 to 80 patients a day.
I have no understanding of the politics behind this, but why on earth does the entire world turn up and use the NHS for free, when it is held together by a minority of folk who paid taxes and NI all their lives?
I worked in London for a few weeks at the end of last year, (keeping my UK RN registration), and learned that 90% of patients are non-English speakers, 60% of births are to non-UK mothers, and interpreters are paid £100 per conversation.
Certainly in the 6 weeks I worked I could count the number of English patients on my fingers. And in A&E I see anything from 40 to 80 patients a day.
I have no understanding of the politics behind this, but why on earth does the entire world turn up and use the NHS for free, when it is held together by a minority of folk who paid taxes and NI all their lives?
And NHS is funded from general taxation, so unless someone is living a hermit lifestyle, they contribute whenever they buy shit.
On the flip side, a lot of Brits bugger off to other countries to avoid queues when the rates are low, especially for dental care, so it's hard to be critical.
Feb 11th 2013, 11:26 pm
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The lady from Nigeria was not.
So using the GBP 104billion, even if it was 1% that would be GBP1 billion.
I find it hard to believe the figure is not double digit percentage.
What other Country can you go to that gives you free treatment, I know people who have gone abroad, but they had to pay. I have had treatment abroad, not intentionally.
So using the GBP 104billion, even if it was 1% that would be GBP1 billion.
I find it hard to believe the figure is not double digit percentage.
What other Country can you go to that gives you free treatment, I know people who have gone abroad, but they had to pay. I have had treatment abroad, not intentionally.
Feb 11th 2013, 11:52 pm
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I understand the US spend on healthcare is $2.3Tn, or about 15x.
I know I haven't factored in private healthcare spend, and prescription charges etc for the UK. It's unlikely to be anything like the same...
But on a per capita basis the US works out around 3x more expensive IF the currently 48-60M uninsured were covered... (though I'm sure these 48-60M spend something between them on healthcare...).
Feb 12th 2013, 12:43 am
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So we have 1/5 the population of the US (60M vs 300M) and a budget of £104Bn, or about $170Bn.
I understand the US spend on healthcare is $2.3Tn, or about 15x.
I know I haven't factored in private healthcare spend, and prescription charges etc for the UK. It's unlikely to be anything like the same...
But on a per capita basis the US works out around 3x more expensive IF the currently 48-60M uninsured were covered... (though I'm sure these 48-60M spend something between them on healthcare...).
I understand the US spend on healthcare is $2.3Tn, or about 15x.
I know I haven't factored in private healthcare spend, and prescription charges etc for the UK. It's unlikely to be anything like the same...
But on a per capita basis the US works out around 3x more expensive IF the currently 48-60M uninsured were covered... (though I'm sure these 48-60M spend something between them on healthcare...).
It also gives up tax on employer spend.
Feb 12th 2013, 1:48 am
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The lady from Nigeria was not.
So using the GBP 104billion, even if it was 1% that would be GBP1 billion.
I find it hard to believe the figure is not double digit percentage.
What other Country can you go to that gives you free treatment, I know people who have gone abroad, but they had to pay. I have had treatment abroad, not intentionally.
So using the GBP 104billion, even if it was 1% that would be GBP1 billion.
I find it hard to believe the figure is not double digit percentage.
What other Country can you go to that gives you free treatment, I know people who have gone abroad, but they had to pay. I have had treatment abroad, not intentionally.
Feb 12th 2013, 1:51 am
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So we have 1/5 the population of the US (60M vs 300M) and a budget of £104Bn, or about $170Bn.
I understand the US spend on healthcare is $2.3Tn, or about 15x.
I know I haven't factored in private healthcare spend, and prescription charges etc for the UK. It's unlikely to be anything like the same...
But on a per capita basis the US works out around 3x more expensive IF the currently 48-60M uninsured were covered... (though I'm sure these 48-60M spend something between them on healthcare...).
I understand the US spend on healthcare is $2.3Tn, or about 15x.
I know I haven't factored in private healthcare spend, and prescription charges etc for the UK. It's unlikely to be anything like the same...
But on a per capita basis the US works out around 3x more expensive IF the currently 48-60M uninsured were covered... (though I'm sure these 48-60M spend something between them on healthcare...).
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...e-spending-gdp
Feb 12th 2013, 2:15 am
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Not the sort of information that is likely to be released, just think of the political consequences.
Logic says it is going to be pretty substantial, I seem to remember someone on this board who wanted to pay, but could find no way of being charged. So what chance is there?
Logic says it is going to be pretty substantial, I seem to remember someone on this board who wanted to pay, but could find no way of being charged. So what chance is there?
Feb 12th 2013, 2:18 am
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Is it right that having wisely spent taxpayers money eradicating diseases in this country the NHS now has to pay for the care of immigrants arriving with the same diseases?
I work in a major London hospital a couple of months a year and its usual for around one tenth of the in-patient population to have TB, for example.
We also spent a lot treating malaria, Hep B and C, and a whole range of tropical diseases that have been effectively 'imported' by immigrants. I have seen whole wards occupied by immigrants with TB, straight from the airport. Presumably patients waiting to be admitted for other treatments have to wait?
I also understand that the hospital spends more on interpreters than on patient meals. Would a Brit get free healthcare and a free interpreter if they traveled say to Somalia, Poland or India, where the majority of these folk have come from? If there is no reciprocal arrangement in place, why not?
http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/gps-forc...e#.URmznKNdzzk
I have worked in the NHS since 1986, but now believe it to be unsustainable. The number of folk paying NI are seriously outnumbered by the folk using the NHS. Its that simple.
I work in a major London hospital a couple of months a year and its usual for around one tenth of the in-patient population to have TB, for example.
We also spent a lot treating malaria, Hep B and C, and a whole range of tropical diseases that have been effectively 'imported' by immigrants. I have seen whole wards occupied by immigrants with TB, straight from the airport. Presumably patients waiting to be admitted for other treatments have to wait?
I also understand that the hospital spends more on interpreters than on patient meals. Would a Brit get free healthcare and a free interpreter if they traveled say to Somalia, Poland or India, where the majority of these folk have come from? If there is no reciprocal arrangement in place, why not?
http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/gps-forc...e#.URmznKNdzzk
I have worked in the NHS since 1986, but now believe it to be unsustainable. The number of folk paying NI are seriously outnumbered by the folk using the NHS. Its that simple.