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Old Jun 26th 2019, 4:37 pm
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Well done Georgia. This is what your denial of women's reproductive health rights has led to. Thankfully, this baby was found alive and is now doing well. How many more do not end well; how many infanticides go undiscovered and unreported?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/25/us/po...-ga/index.html
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Old Jun 26th 2019, 4:49 pm
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Well done Georgia. This is what your denial of women's reproductive health rights has led to. Thankfully, this baby was found alive and is now doing well. How many more do not end well; how many infanticides go undiscovered and unreported? .....
If you're going to post on matters of law in the US could you at least familiarize yourself with US laws?

For precisely the circumstances in the linked story, almost all, if not actually all, US states have a "baby safe haven" law, that allows unwanted infants to be handed over, no questions asked, usually at medical facilities, but sometimes also at other places such as a fire station (which will typically have one or more EMTs on site). In other words there is, at the risk of stating the obvious, absolutely no excuse for infanticide of an "unwanted" baby.

US Baby Safe Haven law list by state.

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Well done Georgia. This is what your denial of women's reproductive health rights has led to. Thankfully, this baby was found alive and is now doing well. How many more do not end well; how many infanticides go undiscovered and unreported?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/25/us/po...-ga/index.html
I'm guessing the reasons are deeper than just lack of reproductive health access, religious cultural shame of sex, lack of sexual education, are probably contributing reasons.
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If you're going to post on matters of law in the US could you at least familiarize yourself with US laws?

For precisely the circumstances in the linked story, almost all, if not actually all, US states have a "baby safe haven" law, that allows unwanted infants to be handed over, no questions asked, usually at medical facilities, but sometimes also at other places such as a fire station (which will typically have one or more EMTs on site). In other words there is, at the risk of stating the obvious, absolutely no excuse for infanticide of an "unwanted" baby".

US Baby Safe Haven law list by state.
I think we are just supposed to focus on the Outrage.
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If you're going to post on matters of law in the US could you at least familiarize yourself with US laws?

For precisely the circumstances in the linked story, almost all, if not actually all, US states have a "baby safe haven" law, that allows unwanted infants to be handed over, no questions asked, usually at medical facilities, but sometimes also at other places such as a fire station (which will typically have one or more EMTs on site). In other words there is, at the risk of stating the obvious, absolutely no excuse for infanticide of an "unwanted" baby.

US Baby Safe Haven law list by state.
Sadly, many people don't know this or feel unable to use it. Somebody aware of such support and in a fit state to use it would be unlikely to try to kill a baby, I would have thought.
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If you're going to post on matters of law in the US could you at least familiarize yourself with US laws?

For precisely the circumstances in the linked story, almost all, if not actually all, US states have a "baby safe haven" law, that allows unwanted infants to be handed over, no questions asked, usually at medical facilities, but sometimes also at other places such as a fire station (which will typically have one or more EMTs on site). In other words there is, at the risk of stating the obvious, absolutely no excuse for infanticide of an "unwanted" baby.

US Baby Safe Haven law list by state.
Oh yes, because people who are so scared of the consequences of seeking advice on terminations early in pregnancy are precisely the people who will seek out their local baby sanctuary. I'm quite familiar with the concept. Anti-choice bigotry and supposedly-Christian fundamentalist stupidity are entirely, completely and absolutely to blame for this. Don't come preaching to me about there being no excuse for infanticide. It's the religious right who have set all this in motion - they should now be prepared to reap what they have sown. I have every sympathy for the unfortunate people who find themselves in this situation, and none whatsoever for the religious zealots and politicians who put them there.
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Oh yes, because people who are so scared of the consequences of seeking advice on terminations early in pregnancy are precisely the people who will seek out their local baby sanctuary. I'm quite familiar with the concept. Anti-choice bigotry and supposedly-Christian fundamentalist stupidity are entirely, completely and absolutely to blame for this. Don't come preaching to me about there being no excuse for infanticide. It's the religious right who have set all this in motion - they should now be prepared to reap what they have sown. I have every sympathy for the unfortunate people who find themselves in this situation, and none whatsoever for the religious zealots and politicians who put them there.
Your demeaning attitude to women is unlikely to play well on this forum.
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Your demeaning attitude to women is unlikely to play well on this forum.
That's indecipherable even for one of your shitposts. What demeaning attitude?
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That's indecipherable even for one of your shitposts. What demeaning attitude?
Your patriarchal attitude, we are no longer in the 1950's.
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That's indecipherable even for one of your shitposts. What demeaning attitude?
You'll have to ignore him, he's obviously so enlightened he operates on a different existential plane than the rest of us. Perhaps one day we'll be able to understand the posts, but alas it is but a dream for now.
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Your patriarchal attitude, we are no longer in the 1950's.
I'm genuinely confused by this. What part of "women should have the right to choose what they do with their womb; it's (primarily old, white, supposedly-Christian) men passing archaic laws that has led us to the kind of situation highlighted by the news article about a baby being found in a plastic bag in the woods in Georgia" is patriarchal, exactly? It's the anti-choice laws that are a throwback to the 1950s, surely?
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I'm genuinely confused by this. What part of "women should have the right to choose what they do with their womb; it's (primarily old, white, supposedly-Christian) men passing archaic laws that has led us to the kind of situation highlighted by the news article about a baby being found in a plastic bag in the woods in Georgia" is patriarchal, exactly? It's the anti-choice laws that are a throwback to the 1950s, surely?
Don't overthink it. Boiler spends most of his time on here trolling what he considers to be the liberal left or some such.
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Don't overthink it. Boiler spends most of his time on here trolling what he considers to be the liberal left or some such.
Liberal. Left. I wonder which one?
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Oh yes, because people who are so scared of the consequences of seeking advice on terminations early in pregnancy are precisely the people who will seek out their local baby sanctuary. I'm quite familiar with the concept. Anti-choice bigotry and supposedly-Christian fundamentalist stupidity are entirely, completely and absolutely to blame for this. Don't come preaching to me about there being no excuse for infanticide. It's the religious right who have set all this in motion - they should now be prepared to reap what they have sown. I have every sympathy for the unfortunate people who find themselves in this situation, and none whatsoever for the religious zealots and politicians who put them there.
Yes, label people who disagree with you hypocritical "bigoted idiots". That'll convince them. Also, nice job politicizing a non-political event through several leaps of logic and ignorance of basic facts.
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Yes, label people who disagree with you hypocritical "bigoted idiots". That'll convince them. Also, nice job politicizing a non-political event through several leaps of logic and ignorance of basic facts.
I'm quite sure you can enlighten me as to which basic facts you think I'm ignorant of. There's plenty of evidence that lack of access to affordable reproductive health services leads to higher numbers of unwanted pregnancies, abandoned infants and generally poorer health outcomes for vulnerable young women in particular. If - as seems apparent - you believe this to be unrelated to politics or religious bigotry, I would be fascinated to read your thoughts as to why those things are not connected, and to your body of research to back up your claim.

Christian (or any other religion's) fundamentalists who think abortion is evil and that access to reproductive healthcare of any form is "a sin" are, indeed, bigoted idiots. That's pretty much an incontrovertible fact, rather than any one particular person's opinion.
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