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dmanuk Jun 12th 2008 9:55 am
Maybe Big problem:
 
Returning back to the UK after 14 years in the States.
Flight booked non changeable.
I am returning via Gatwick, I have dual citizenship, one big problem, I am going on a one way ticket on a USA passport, didn't dawn on me to renew my old UK passport which expired in 97.
I don't have the time or money to expedite for a new passport.
Will arrive with a USA passport on a oneway ticket, but have birth certificate, Dr's card, expired English passport, and an old provisional drivers licence. Does anyone know what kind of grief I am going to expect upon arrival. My daughter will be there in case of problems.
Main reason for return is My Mom is in a nursing home and to be with family..
Any help or advice would be appreciated...

essexnick1 Jun 12th 2008 10:10 am
Re: Maybe Big problem:
 
Hmm thats a tough one, You would think they will let you in.

I would call a UK embasys in the USA and ask for advice etc. They may be able to provide you some paperwork or something. Best to get something official.

dmanuk Jun 12th 2008 10:15 am
Re: Maybe Big problem:
 
I Think that might be a good idea.. Thanks.

Jerseygirl Jun 12th 2008 11:39 am
Re: Maybe Big problem:
 
Originally Posted by dmanuk (Post 6461722)
Returning back to the UK after 14 years in the States.
Flight booked non changeable.
I am returning via Gatwick, I have dual citizenship, one big problem, I am going on a one way ticket on a USA passport, didn't dawn on me to renew my old UK passport which expired in 97.
I don't have the time or money to expedite for a new passport.
Will arrive with a USA passport on a oneway ticket, but have birth certificate, Dr's card, expired English passport, and an old provisional drivers licence. Does anyone know what kind of grief I am going to expect upon arrival. My daughter will be there in case of problems.
Main reason for return is My Mom is in a nursing home and to be with family..
Any help or advice would be appreciated...
If you arrive in the UK on a US PP you will be classified as a visitor and not a resident...therefore strictly speaking you will not be entitled to any benefits ie medical, DHSS etc. Obtaining a new UK PP takes about 2/3 weeks.

dmanuk Jun 12th 2008 1:39 pm
Re: Maybe Big problem:
 
Thanks for that info Jersey girl, actually getting my new UK passport was the first thing I was going to do, as long as they release me to my daughter I don't care. When I leave the USA I hve nothing really to go back to.

meauxna Jun 13th 2008 7:05 am
Re: Maybe Big problem:
 
Originally Posted by dmanuk (Post 6462159)
Thanks for that info Jersey girl, actually getting my new UK passport was the first thing I was going to do, as long as they release me to my daughter I don't care. When I leave the USA I hve nothing really to go back to.
If you are not going back to the US, you might want to make an effort to get admitted as a UKC, not US.
The UK should admit you on an expired passport; you could contact the UK Consular staff in the US before you leave to make sure (your other documents support your citizenship claim).

Jerseygirl Jun 13th 2008 7:39 am
Re: Maybe Big problem:
 
Originally Posted by dmanuk (Post 6462159)
Thanks for that info Jersey girl, actually getting my new UK passport was the first thing I was going to do, as long as they release me to my daughter I don't care. When I leave the USA I hve nothing really to go back to.
I thought I'd made it clear in my first post...if you want to be classed as a UK resident you must enter the UK using a UK PP. Otherwise you will be classed as a visitor which means you will not be entitled to use some of the benefits a resident can ie seeing a NHS doctor, NHS dentist, Social Security payments etc.

Good luck...it sounds like you're looking forward to returning home. :)

needasmack Jun 13th 2008 9:32 am
Re: Maybe Big problem:
 
Originally Posted by dmanuk (Post 6461722)
Returning back to the UK after 14 years in the States.
Flight booked non changeable.
I am returning via Gatwick, I have dual citizenship, one big problem, I am going on a one way ticket on a USA passport, didn't dawn on me to renew my old UK passport which expired in 97.
I don't have the time or money to expedite for a new passport.
Will arrive with a USA passport on a oneway ticket, but have birth certificate, Dr's card, expired English passport, and an old provisional drivers licence. Does anyone know what kind of grief I am going to expect upon arrival. My daughter will be there in case of problems.
Main reason for return is My Mom is in a nursing home and to be with family..
Any help or advice would be appreciated...

here is a link that may help a bit

http://www.expedia.co.uk/destination...rtAndVisa.aspx


:-) good luck

JAJ Jun 13th 2008 10:08 am
Re: Maybe Big problem:
 
Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 6464824)
I thought I'd made it clear in my first post...if you want to be classed as a UK resident you must enter the UK using a UK PP. Otherwise you will be classed as a visitor which means you will not be entitled to use some of the benefits a resident can ie seeing a NHS doctor, NHS dentist, Social Security payments etc.
If he gets past Immigration, then it doesn't matter, he's still a British citizen so can use services as normal. The visitor stamp in the U.S. passport would effectively be null and void.

Obviously for taking any further trips and re-entering the U.K. then a British passport would be essential.

NedKelly Jun 13th 2008 5:25 pm
Re: Maybe Big problem:
 
Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 6464824)
I thought I'd made it clear in my first post...if you want to be classed as a UK resident you must enter the UK using a UK PP. Otherwise you will be classed as a visitor which means you will not be entitled to use some of the benefits a resident can ie seeing a NHS doctor, NHS dentist, Social Security payments etc.

Good luck...it sounds like you're looking forward to returning home. :)
He could always claim Asylum, you get all the above plus a free house as well!

Triboy Jun 13th 2008 5:55 pm
Re: Maybe Big problem:
 
I thought I'd made it clear in my first post...if you want to be classed as a UK resident you must enter the UK using a UK PP. Otherwise you will be classed as a visitor which means you will not be entitled to use some of the benefits a resident can ie seeing a NHS doctor, NHS dentist, Social Security payments etc.
This is not quite correct. This exact situation happened to the lady in front in front of us on our last trip home. My wife and I were in the visitors queue (because she is not UKC) and the lady in front was clutching two passports, one EU (Brit) and one NZ. I was clutching a Brit and Oz passport. Immigration guy wanders over and asks why we're stood in the visitor's queue (I think he thought the other lady and were together as we were Anglo, my wife is Korean, and we'd all come in on a Korean airline, Asiana).

I explained that I was with my wife who was non UKC, he said 'doesn't matter, she's with you so you can both join the UKC queue' (which was great cos there was only about 5 people in that one :D ). The other lady explained that her UK passport had expired so she had to enter as a visitor. Guy from customs looked at her UK passport and told her to join the UK queue. At the baggage I saw her and asked what they said and she told me that even if your passport has expired they enter you as a UKC. She of course had her expired passport with her which might make a difference. I asked how long since her passport expired and she said '2 yrs'.

He could always claim Asylum, you get all the above plus a free house as well!
Or you could say you've been living in Oz and get instant access to retrospective mental torment and cultural deprivation benefits.:lol:

Jerseygirl Jun 14th 2008 1:24 am
Re: Maybe Big problem:
 
Originally Posted by Triboy (Post 6465663)
This is not quite correct. This exact situation happened to the lady in front in front of us on our last trip home. My wife and I were in the visitors queue (because she is not UKC) and the lady in front was clutching two passports, one EU (Brit) and one NZ. I was clutching a Brit and Oz passport. Immigration guy wanders over and asks why we're stood in the visitor's queue (I think he thought the other lady and were together as we were Anglo, my wife is Korean, and we'd all come in on a Korean airline, Asiana).

I explained that I was with my wife who was non UKC, he said 'doesn't matter, she's with you so you can both join the UKC queue' (which was great cos there was only about 5 people in that one :D ). The other lady explained that her UK passport had expired so she had to enter as a visitor. Guy from customs looked at her UK passport and told her to join the UK queue. At the baggage I saw her and asked what they said and she told me that even if your passport has expired they enter you as a UKC. She of course had her expired passport with her which might make a difference. I asked how long since her passport expired and she said '2 yrs'.



Or you could say you've been living in Oz and get instant access to retrospective mental torment and cultural deprivation benefits.:lol:
I didn't say she couldn't enter on an expired UK PP...I said she should enter using a UK PP and not her US PP.


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