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Steve_ Jan 23rd 2014 3:57 am

Justin Bieber commits CIMT?
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_4650591.html

Now I know what you're thinking, who cares but given his celebrity if he gets removal proceedings started against him, this could end up with people lobbying Congress for a change in the law I reckon.

He's said in the past he doesn't want to become a US citizen so I assume he's an LPR.

I suppose he has to get convicted of a CIMT first though. Given all the crap in the press though it seems likely he could be.

MarylandNed Jan 23rd 2014 4:07 am

Re: Justin Bieber commits CIMT?
 
What a tool. I hope they deport him. Although Canada might object to taking him back!

zerlesen Jan 23rd 2014 4:11 am

Re: Justin Bieber commits CIMT?
 
Slightly lower Q ratings involved, but in a similar category: a Real Husband from one of those Real Housewives shows.

MarylandNed Jan 23rd 2014 4:14 am

Re: Justin Bieber commits CIMT?
 
A good reason for PR's to get US citizenship as soon as they are eligible. Criminal convictions can lead to deportation if you are not a USC.

hungryhorace Jan 23rd 2014 5:43 am

Re: Justin Bieber commits CIMT?
 
What irritates me about him, and this affair, is the local cops in California appearing to allow him to do as he please with no consequences. Even after his home was searched he was not arrested, despite their being allegations of drug paraphernalia contained within his home.

Further, it appears that Bieber has been driving on an *expired* Georgia driving licence. Why have the cops in CA allowed him to drive on an expired licence for so long?

Back to the topic; I'm not sure any of the charges are CIMT. There was no charge concerning drug use, so he's in the clear deportation wise as far as I can see. Plus, do you really see ICE deporting such a celebrity? I don't. Money talks in America.

hungryhorace Jan 23rd 2014 5:43 am

Re: Justin Bieber commits CIMT?
 

Originally Posted by Steve_ (Post 11093206)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_4650591.html

Now I know what you're thinking, who cares but given his celebrity if he gets removal proceedings started against him, this could end up with people lobbying Congress for a change in the law I reckon.

He's said in the past he doesn't want to become a US citizen so I assume he's an LPR.

He's not even an LPR. He's on an O-1 visa.

Rete Jan 23rd 2014 6:24 am

Re: Justin Bieber commits CIMT?
 
Thought he was Canadian?


Originally Posted by Steve_ (Post 11093206)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_4650591.html

Now I know what you're thinking, who cares but given his celebrity if he gets removal proceedings started against him, this could end up with people lobbying Congress for a change in the law I reckon.

He's said in the past he doesn't want to become a US citizen so I assume he's an LPR.

I suppose he has to get convicted of a CIMT first though. Given all the crap in the press though it seems likely he could be.


hungryhorace Jan 23rd 2014 6:26 am

Re: Justin Bieber commits CIMT?
 

Originally Posted by Rete (Post 11093486)
Thought he was Canadian?

He is.

Steve_ Jan 23rd 2014 6:35 am

Re: Justin Bieber commits CIMT?
 

Originally Posted by hungryhorace (Post 11093419)
Plus, do you really see ICE deporting such a celebrity? I don't. Money talks in America.

What is going to happen is they will keep treating him with kid gloves (haha) until it just gets so bad they will have to do something, then it will be severe and then it will be a big news story.

And if they'd done something earlier on the consequences wouldn't have been as severe and he would then understand there are serious consequences.

I don't know if it will get to the point of formal removal proceedings, but say USCIS deny renewal of his O-1 or CBP deny him entry for example.

hungryhorace Jan 23rd 2014 6:41 am

Re: Justin Bieber commits CIMT?
 

Originally Posted by Steve_ (Post 11093501)
What is going to happen is they will keep treating him with kid gloves (haha) until it just gets so bad they will have to do something, then it will be severe and then it will be a big news story.

And if they'd done something earlier on the consequences wouldn't have been as severe and he would then understand there are serious consequences.

I don't know if it will get to the point of formal removal proceedings, but say USCIS deny renewal of his O-1 or CBP deny him entry for example.

USCIS would seek the advice of the Chief of Staff probably (or similar seniority) before they denied his O-1 application renewal. Honestly. I genuinely believe that decision would be taken by a CO or a Director without political cover being sought first.

Why would his attorneys never petition for him to become a LPR I wonder? He lives in America, so should have taken steps to secure PR.

NatashaB Jan 23rd 2014 6:46 am

Re: Justin Bieber commits CIMT?
 
http://www.buzzfeed.com/kimberleydad...rs-arrest?bffb

I particularly loved this one:


If Justin Bieber continues on this downward spiral, he could someday wind up mayor of Toronto.

Steve_ Jan 23rd 2014 6:50 am

Re: Justin Bieber commits CIMT?
 
Taxes probably, I know Kevin O'Leary (Sharktank) gave up his LPR status to avoid US taxes.

Canada has a deemed disposition rule on departure, so essentially on the day you emigrate you are considered to have sold and reacquired all of your assets on that day with certain exceptions (RRSP mainly), so that triggers capital gains tax (Canada has no estate tax, so the idea is if you die or leave you are treated the same).

I expect on his investments CGT would be a major issue, CGT in Canada is 50% of the income tax rate so he'd be in the top bracket and paying 21%. I assume his accountant realizes most of his earnings are going to be accrued while he is young so they've probably done heavy investing.

So it makes more sense for him to only be taxed on his US-source income in the US.

I guess.

On that basis he should have an Ontario DL, not Georgia, so happy day for him, the IRS have probably read that article and will reject his 8840, assuming he is in fact resident in Ontario for tax purposes.

jxv73 Jan 23rd 2014 6:54 am

Re: Justin Bieber commits CIMT?
 

Originally Posted by Steve_ (Post 11093501)
What is going to happen is they will keep treating him with kid gloves (haha) until it just gets so bad they will have to do something, then it will be severe and then it will be a big news story.

And if they'd done something earlier on the consequences wouldn't have been as severe and he would then understand there are serious consequences.

I don't know if it will get to the point of formal removal proceedings, but say USCIS deny renewal of his O-1 or CBP deny him entry for example.

Since he is not an LPR, CBP can easily deny entry without any need to appear in front of an immigration judge and no chance to talk to an attorney.

By the way the arrest immediately shows up in both USCIS and CBP's databases.

hungryhorace Jan 23rd 2014 6:55 am

Re: Justin Bieber commits CIMT?
 

Originally Posted by jxv73 (Post 11093528)
Since he is not an LPR, CBP can easily deny entry without any need to appear in front of an immigration judge and no chance to talk to an attorney.

By the way the arrest immediately shows up in both USCIS and CBP's databases.

I thought holding a US visa granted you the right to appear before a Judge to appeal your refusal of entry?

Steve_ Jan 23rd 2014 7:04 am

Re: Justin Bieber commits CIMT?
 
Well (a) he wouldn't have a visa, he's Canadian, he would only have an I-94 and I-797 confirming his status and (b) the rule you're talking about applies to LPRs.

He could apply on an I-192 at the POE and get a waiver from the CBP ARO and if that's denied you can then appeal to the BIA.


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