View Poll Results: How long until the apocalypse?
Less than 10 days.
0
0%
Before the next Presidential Election.
12
44.44%
On or slightly after November 3rd, 2020.
2
7.41%
It will shortly be illegal to criticize Trump, so never.
13
48.15%
Voters: 27. You may not vote on this poll
How long until the apocalypse?
Jun 19th 2017, 11:05 pm
#31
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Re: How long until the apocalypse?
We also provide considerable revenue to States like West Virginia whose government seem to be completely unable to diversify their economy beyond coal mining.
Same goes for Oregon. Lumber, lumber and more lumber. How would their economy fare if the present California building boom suddenly went the way it did in 2008?
As California goes so does Oregon.
The fact that Oregon gas stations still have employees to pump gas indicates that the State has a long way to go in diversifying and creating meaningful jobs for it's workforce
Same goes for Oregon. Lumber, lumber and more lumber. How would their economy fare if the present California building boom suddenly went the way it did in 2008?
As California goes so does Oregon.
The fact that Oregon gas stations still have employees to pump gas indicates that the State has a long way to go in diversifying and creating meaningful jobs for it's workforce
Jun 19th 2017, 11:09 pm
#32
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Re: How long until the apocalypse?
Well it's pretty obvious that secession will never be in the cards. Who wants to go to all the trouble of having checkpoints, passport control, tariff and trade agreements to negotiate, A gigantic headache that would make no sense. California is intertwined with the rest of the union. Many wrote off the United Sates as a failure during the civil war. The Vietnam war tore the country apart. It will take more than a tweet addict with fake hair dyed platinum blond and the bullshit of a used car salesman to bring this country to the point of a break up
Jun 19th 2017, 11:11 pm
#33
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Re: How long until the apocalypse?
We also provide considerable revenue to States like West Virginia whose government seem to be completely unable to diversify their economy beyond coal mining.
Same goes for Oregon. Lumber, lumber and more lumber. How would their economy fare if the present California building boom suddenly went the way it did in 2008?
As California goes so does Oregon.
The fact that Oregon gas stations still have employees to pump gas indicates that the State has a long way to go in diversifying and creating meaningful jobs for it's workforce
Same goes for Oregon. Lumber, lumber and more lumber. How would their economy fare if the present California building boom suddenly went the way it did in 2008?
As California goes so does Oregon.
The fact that Oregon gas stations still have employees to pump gas indicates that the State has a long way to go in diversifying and creating meaningful jobs for it's workforce
Jun 20th 2017, 12:06 am
#34
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Re: How long until the apocalypse?
The lack of diversity in Oregon's industrial base is probably because that State has a very aggressive environmental protection movement at work.
The "spotted owl" issue almost brought the State's logging industry to a near halt a few years ago
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Jun 20th 2017, 12:14 am
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Re: How long until the apocalypse?
Fortunately the GOP have very limited political power in this State
Jun 20th 2017, 1:35 am
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Re: How long until the apocalypse?
If Calexit succeeds, California would then become a true laboratory to prove whether or not "progressive" politics can create a sustainable economic model and improve the quality of life of its citizens. However, I think most of the Silicon Valley enterprises would leave within 2 or 3 years and prove just how fragile Cali's economy really is.
As for the GOP voters, I foresee that they would be leaving Cali en masse, and moving into the US, so Cali would soon become an authoritarian one-party state with all the advantages of a system that has no credible opposition party.
[Fortunately? Guess again.] The Left in California is already trying to shut down free speech with its masked, black-shirted Antifa thugs. Imagine them becoming incorporated into California's new internal security apparatus. It would be East Germany all over again.
Jun 20th 2017, 4:56 am
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Re: How long until the apocalypse?
Should Californians decide to secede, the Red counties will definitely pull a West Virginia and secede from California and form the great state of Jefferson. I still think if California were to go the secession route, it would be a matter of negotiation, much like Brexit, not a civil war.
If Calexit succeeds, California would then become a true laboratory to prove whether or not "progressive" politics can create a sustainable economic model and improve the quality of life of its citizens. However, I think most of the Silicon Valley enterprises would leave within 2 or 3 years and prove just how fragile Cali's economy really is.
As for the GOP voters, I foresee that they would be leaving Cali en masse, and moving into the US, so Cali would soon become an authoritarian one-party state with all the advantages of a system that has no credible opposition party.
[Fortunately? Guess again.] The Left in California is already trying to shut down free speech with its masked, black-shirted Antifa thugs. Imagine them becoming incorporated into California's new internal security apparatus. It would be East Germany all over again.
If Calexit succeeds, California would then become a true laboratory to prove whether or not "progressive" politics can create a sustainable economic model and improve the quality of life of its citizens. However, I think most of the Silicon Valley enterprises would leave within 2 or 3 years and prove just how fragile Cali's economy really is.
As for the GOP voters, I foresee that they would be leaving Cali en masse, and moving into the US, so Cali would soon become an authoritarian one-party state with all the advantages of a system that has no credible opposition party.
[Fortunately? Guess again.] The Left in California is already trying to shut down free speech with its masked, black-shirted Antifa thugs. Imagine them becoming incorporated into California's new internal security apparatus. It would be East Germany all over again.
Jun 20th 2017, 8:44 am
#38
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Re: How long until the apocalypse?
The Republicans are generally the ones with the whacko ideas in this State. There's the "State of Jefferson" idea that's been floating around for some time, Another Republican more recently tried to get a proposition on the ballot to split the State into six new States. His reason? The State's population had become too large to be governed effectively from Sacramento alone
Fortunately the GOP have very limited political power in this State
Fortunately the GOP have very limited political power in this State
I remember back in the 80's there was a discussion of splitting the state into three - north, south and central.
Jun 20th 2017, 8:49 am
#39
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Re: How long until the apocalypse?
Should Californians decide to secede, the Red counties will definitely pull a West Virginia and secede from California and form the great state of Jefferson. I still think if California were to go the secession route, it would be a matter of negotiation, much like Brexit, not a civil war.
If Calexit succeeds, California would then become a true laboratory to prove whether or not "progressive" politics can create a sustainable economic model and improve the quality of life of its citizens. However, I think most of the Silicon Valley enterprises would leave within 2 or 3 years and prove just how fragile Cali's economy really is.
As for the GOP voters, I foresee that they would be leaving Cali en masse, and moving into the US, so Cali would soon become an authoritarian one-party state with all the advantages of a system that has no credible opposition party.
[Fortunately? Guess again.] The Left in California is already trying to shut down free speech with its masked, black-shirted Antifa thugs. Imagine them becoming incorporated into California's new internal security apparatus. It would be East Germany all over again.
If Calexit succeeds, California would then become a true laboratory to prove whether or not "progressive" politics can create a sustainable economic model and improve the quality of life of its citizens. However, I think most of the Silicon Valley enterprises would leave within 2 or 3 years and prove just how fragile Cali's economy really is.
As for the GOP voters, I foresee that they would be leaving Cali en masse, and moving into the US, so Cali would soon become an authoritarian one-party state with all the advantages of a system that has no credible opposition party.
[Fortunately? Guess again.] The Left in California is already trying to shut down free speech with its masked, black-shirted Antifa thugs. Imagine them becoming incorporated into California's new internal security apparatus. It would be East Germany all over again.
Jun 21st 2017, 10:16 am
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Re: How long until the apocalypse?
We also provide considerable revenue to States like West Virginia whose government seem to be completely unable to diversify their economy beyond coal mining.
Same goes for Oregon. Lumber, lumber and more lumber. How would their economy fare if the present California building boom suddenly went the way it did in 2008?
As California goes so does Oregon.
The fact that Oregon gas stations still have employees to pump gas indicates that the State has a long way to go in diversifying and creating meaningful jobs for it's workforce
Same goes for Oregon. Lumber, lumber and more lumber. How would their economy fare if the present California building boom suddenly went the way it did in 2008?
As California goes so does Oregon.
The fact that Oregon gas stations still have employees to pump gas indicates that the State has a long way to go in diversifying and creating meaningful jobs for it's workforce
Jun 22nd 2017, 5:27 am
#41
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Re: How long until the apocalypse?
Four special elections, four Republican wins. Healthcare bill could be voted on in the next few days in the Senate with zero amendments and zero hearings.
The apocalypse approaches...
The apocalypse approaches...
Jun 22nd 2017, 5:30 am
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Re: How long until the apocalypse?
Huh? I must have missed Guam becoming a Republican stronghold and even if it were, Puerto Rico would have more representatives. I never understand this argument about Puerto Rico being full of Democrats either, neither the Democrats or the Republicans do well there, they have their own political parties.
Jun 22nd 2017, 5:38 am
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Re: How long until the apocalypse?
Like, some guy the other day saying "when Dodd-Frank is repealed the markets will soar", Dodd-Frank isn't going to be repealed, it will never get through the Senate. Obvious liar, because he obviously knows this.
Or, the tax reform bill will send the markets soaring. Well, for there to even be a major tax reform bill, there has to be massive cuts to Medicaid and I'm not convinced that will get through Congress either. There might be a tax holiday for repatriation of profits, so high dividend yield ETFs make sense.
At some point these people will stop reading the WSJ and realize that Trump is a moron, my bet is somewhere around Labour Day.
Even if they get the healthcare bill through, they're constrained by budget reconciliation and they can't do tax reform until next year anyway, and that's an election year and the squeamish Republicans in the Senate will be even more squeamish as the Republicans have heavy exposure in 2018.
So my view is that people going out buying equities based on Trump & Co. makes as much sense as buying Sterling did prior to the Brexit referendum.
Jun 22nd 2017, 5:51 pm
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Re: How long until the apocalypse?
Oregonians are not trusted to pump their own gas. It was deemed too dangerous. Now it's just an excuse to have people sitting with their cars idling to pollute the air. Having 15 to 20 cars at a gas station sitting with engines running for 20 minutes creates Oregon's share of carbon emissions.
Jun 28th 2017, 12:44 am
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Re: How long until the apocalypse?
Majority of strategists see big gains for the second half: CNBC survey
60% of Wall Street strategists think that there will be a healthcare bill and a tax reform bill passed by the end of the year.
OMG the bullshit these people are spreading to try and stop a market correction. "Aaaaa, everyone is going to cash out how do we stop them!!!"
First off, a tax reform bill is impossible until next year's budget reconciliation and if the Medicaid cuts don't happen, which seems increasingly unlikely, the tax reform bill will be very tepid. And the markets know this and they've started to slide.
60% of Wall Street strategists think that there will be a healthcare bill and a tax reform bill passed by the end of the year.
OMG the bullshit these people are spreading to try and stop a market correction. "Aaaaa, everyone is going to cash out how do we stop them!!!"
First off, a tax reform bill is impossible until next year's budget reconciliation and if the Medicaid cuts don't happen, which seems increasingly unlikely, the tax reform bill will be very tepid. And the markets know this and they've started to slide.