Steve_

Watching Trump yesterday with his cabinet was a vomit swallowing moment. I'm sure the apocalypse can't be far behind.

rpjs

"The Dear Cheeto Kim il Trump"

Lion in Winter

The apocalypse? What apocalypse? That's just something made up by the lying, unpatriotic media.

Steve_

Well the shooting in Virginia this morning had all the hallmarks of being a harbinger of the apocalypse.

SultanOfSwing

After seeing that cringe-fest, I personally welcome the apocalypse. Or, at the very least, I hope aliens come to save us.

Beaverstate

I thought that OJT might save him, seems I was very wrong.

scot47

Aliens will come soon. I am in daily contact with a race of intelligent beings in the constellation of Alpha Centauri. In the interim I need some US$ to finance my work. Kindly oblige and save us all !

(Well it is no crazier than those ads on TV to sponsor a snow-leopard, or save the starving orphans in Africa !)

SultanOfSwing

I apologize, this is purely a reflex action but Alpha Centauri is a star, not a constellation

(sorry)

dc koop

I see Trump either being impeached and forced to step down on soundly defeated in 2020.
He will appear daily on Fox News on the "Trump Hour" and tell everybody, every freakin day how it was everybody elses fault that he couldn't make America great again

FlaviusAetius

Depends on how you define apocalypse. If the apocalypse were to involve the United States breaking up into two or three countries, with the Blue States on one side and the Red States on the other, my guess is 5 - 10 years, given the unbridgeable polarization in this country. I see the west coast states seceding first, the Northeast states second, and Illinois third. Some of them might petition to join Canada, which would be a good move for Washington State and New England, if the Canadians would have them.

Talk about it being impossible because of the result of the War of Northern Aggression (as the Southerners like to style it) is just talk. No one is going to enter into a civil war to preserve today's "union." If Cali were to go now, a majority of Americans would probably wish them well in their new country. (Calexit?)

Note: the next huge political battle will be whether Congress will admit Puerto Rico as the next State. PR's two senators would flip the Senate to the Democrats; so will the Republicans weather the "racism" charge and not commit political suicide?

dc koop

There are secessionists in this state but California's not going anywhere and if it were put to a vote the "nay's" would be overwhelming in number.

As for some States joining Canada wont happen either. Whose going to turn in their firearms and acknowledge the British Monarchy as head of State ?

ian-mstm

Both good points. It's interesting how different sides in an argument (or war) view things. In the US at the end of the Revolutionary War, those who supported the King were ultimately forced to either align with the new victors or were forced to leave the US. Many of those who would not align fled north to (what is now) Canada - and became known as United Empire Loyalists. To this day in Canada, it is a matter of great pride and distinction to have had an ancestor who was a United Empire Loyalist... even though, in the US, those same people were called traitors!

Ian

FlaviusAetius

You may well be right about California, but consider: your Governor flies to China to negotiate with them to continue to keep Cali in the Paris Accord, your largest cities are all Sanctuary Cities and Cali may become a sanctuary state. It appears to non-Californians as though it is quietly, gradually, seceding now.

The formal secession movement appears to be on hold at this time, but if the Left doesn't triumph in the 2018 mid-term elections and get rid of Trump, it will probably revive and the talk would then really be about a negotiated and amicable exit, with a further split of California into California and Jefferson. The strongest opponent of Calexit would be the national Democratic Party. The state party might be tempted, as it would then rule over an independent California with an iron fist. Venezuela redux.

The question of whether certain New England states would turn in their firearms if, on balance, merging with Canada would seem preferable to remaining in a Republican-dominated - read "far right" - United State (which it would be if Cali exited) may not be as settled as you might think. Again, we are imagining an apocalypse here.

ian-mstm

Quebec has, from time to time, had a referendum vote to secede from Canada. At one point (in the early 1980s IIRC) the Supreme Court of Canada said Quebec could secede but only if they paid off their share of the national debt prior to leaving. Result = Quebec is still part of Canada.

Ian

FlaviusAetius

That might deter California too. Forget Cali's share of the national debt, imagine just the problem of suddenly having to pay for continuation of Social Security and Medicare benefits for millions of Californians. They're in enough trouble with their state employees' pension and health funds as it is ($366 billion unfunded liability as of 2014). Nevertheless, politics frequently *trumps* reality in this country, so anything is possible.