Healthcare for senior immigrants
Mar 7th 2005, 6:37 pm
#16
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Joined: Apr 2001
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Re: Healthcare for senior immigrants
No, I am saying since she knew she was pregnant, she should have remained in SA for the birth of the child where her medical care would not have cost them or us a penny and activated their visa after the birth.
Please do not put words in my post that are not there. Their child is not my golden egg and its parents are not geese unless they are Canadian ones who cross the Can/Am yearly without visas ;-) for free food and lodging.
Please do not put words in my post that are not there. Their child is not my golden egg and its parents are not geese unless they are Canadian ones who cross the Can/Am yearly without visas ;-) for free food and lodging.
Originally Posted by Ingo Pakleppa
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Rete wrote:
| They could have remained in SA until
| the child was born or not gotten pregnant in the first place when they
| were planning to emigrate. So who pays for their fun and games and then
| their care?
Among other things because delivery costs, in particular (also health
insurance cost in general) are really investments that benefit us as a
whole. So you are basically saying that immigrants shouldn't have
children unless they are wealthy enough. Alas, you are killing the goose
that lays your golden egg here. Your nest egg that is, for who do you
think will pay your retirement benefits? Native-born American citizens
have very low birth rates, like most Western countries, and one of the
best ways of fixing social security - besides abolishing the salary cap
- - would be to do whatever we can to *encourage* people to have children.
Not make it too expensive to afford. Paying delivery costs at taxpayer
expense truly is a bargain for us as a nation.
And that applies even if Bush ends up abolishing Social Security. For
who do you think will then make the charitable contributions that
tomorrow's retirees will rely on? Who will buy the stock that they
accumulated in their privatized accounts?
By the way, a similar logic applies to health care cost (and of course
all that applies equally to US citizens): healthy people are more
productive, and we as a society would be much better off fixing health
problems early rather than having people wait until they have a true
emergency, and then sometimes end up on disability.
Rant over.
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Rete wrote:
| They could have remained in SA until
| the child was born or not gotten pregnant in the first place when they
| were planning to emigrate. So who pays for their fun and games and then
| their care?
Among other things because delivery costs, in particular (also health
insurance cost in general) are really investments that benefit us as a
whole. So you are basically saying that immigrants shouldn't have
children unless they are wealthy enough. Alas, you are killing the goose
that lays your golden egg here. Your nest egg that is, for who do you
think will pay your retirement benefits? Native-born American citizens
have very low birth rates, like most Western countries, and one of the
best ways of fixing social security - besides abolishing the salary cap
- - would be to do whatever we can to *encourage* people to have children.
Not make it too expensive to afford. Paying delivery costs at taxpayer
expense truly is a bargain for us as a nation.
And that applies even if Bush ends up abolishing Social Security. For
who do you think will then make the charitable contributions that
tomorrow's retirees will rely on? Who will buy the stock that they
accumulated in their privatized accounts?
By the way, a similar logic applies to health care cost (and of course
all that applies equally to US citizens): healthy people are more
productive, and we as a society would be much better off fixing health
problems early rather than having people wait until they have a true
emergency, and then sometimes end up on disability.
Rant over.
- --
Remember, I am strictly a layperson without any legal training. I
encourage everybody to seek competent legal counsel rather than
relying on usenet newsgroups.
Please visit my new FAQ at http://www.kkeane.com (always under
construction)
My email address in usenet posts is now invalid for Spam protection.
See my Web site for information on how to contact me.
Please feel free to enjoy some of my photographs at my Web site
http://www.ingopakleppa.com ! Comments are welcome.
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Mar 7th 2005, 6:43 pm
#17
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Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 46,390
Re: Healthcare for senior immigrants
In addition you are missing the biggest points. These are immigrants who showed funds to acquire their diversity lottery visas. And here they are, in the US, living in a area with little employment opportunities for a person with IT skills, and already taking from the US public (citizens, residents, illegals all of whom pay taxes) and many of whom do NOT have healthcare for their medical needs. They have $50,000 in the bank ... use your own money to pay for the birth of your child. Use a mid-wife instead of a physician and a hospital. Use a low cost medical clinic and pay with your own funds. It is not as if they are poor and without resources. They were required by CIS law to show financial wherewithal to pay for their living and medical expenses until they found employment. Use what money they put up to pay for what it was intended.
Mar 7th 2005, 9:11 pm
#18
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Healthcare for senior immigrants
> No, I am saying since she knew she was pregnant, she should have
> remained in SA for the birth of the child where her medical care
> would not have cost them or us a penny and activated their visa after
> the birth.
You are in no position to tell this couple when and where to have a
baby. If they are entitled to medicare the first day after they land
here and you don't agree with that, you should lobby to change the
system, say, not to give medicare benefits to immigrants, unless they
have lived here for at least 5 years. Stop harassing the poster about
how much money he has and what he's suppposed to do with it.
> remained in SA for the birth of the child where her medical care
> would not have cost them or us a penny and activated their visa after
> the birth.
You are in no position to tell this couple when and where to have a
baby. If they are entitled to medicare the first day after they land
here and you don't agree with that, you should lobby to change the
system, say, not to give medicare benefits to immigrants, unless they
have lived here for at least 5 years. Stop harassing the poster about
how much money he has and what he's suppposed to do with it.
Mar 10th 2005, 10:03 pm
#19
Longtime Lurker
Joined: Oct 2004
Location: Denver, Colorado
Posts: 35
Re: Healthcare for senior immigrants
The reason I came to this forum was for information and the reason I started posting was to try to give information to others that need it. Opinion is always baised by past experiences and limited even more so in a forum like this where only a small sliver of personal information is exposed.
To set the record straight. Shure I have enough funds to cover the birth of the baby but what if there is a need for a few days in neonatal ICU. Those funds and more are gone. For me medicaid is simply covering the gap, I was initially looking to pay for some kind of cover, until I am employed and my benifits take over. (PS: There are a lot of jobs around, and now I am being a hypocrite for generalizing, most people who are unemployed are just too fussy)
The personal info you never knew yet decided to make a public judgement on is that we had made contact with a midwife here before we left SA. Within the next few weeks my wife will be having a midwife assisted home birth. By choice even though the midwife suggested that she could book into a nice birthing unit and medicaid would cover it all.
Back to the original question. The poster was worried about bringing his elderly parents over to stay with him. Yes there are medical risks but if you manage those risks carefully there are options, even though some people would prefer you not to have those options. They are still there.
Scott
To set the record straight. Shure I have enough funds to cover the birth of the baby but what if there is a need for a few days in neonatal ICU. Those funds and more are gone. For me medicaid is simply covering the gap, I was initially looking to pay for some kind of cover, until I am employed and my benifits take over. (PS: There are a lot of jobs around, and now I am being a hypocrite for generalizing, most people who are unemployed are just too fussy)
The personal info you never knew yet decided to make a public judgement on is that we had made contact with a midwife here before we left SA. Within the next few weeks my wife will be having a midwife assisted home birth. By choice even though the midwife suggested that she could book into a nice birthing unit and medicaid would cover it all.
Back to the original question. The poster was worried about bringing his elderly parents over to stay with him. Yes there are medical risks but if you manage those risks carefully there are options, even though some people would prefer you not to have those options. They are still there.
Scott
Mar 10th 2005, 10:12 pm
#20
Longtime Lurker
Joined: Oct 2004
Location: Denver, Colorado
Posts: 35
Re: Healthcare for senior immigrants
No, I am saying since she knew she was pregnant, she should have remained in SA for the birth of the child where her medical care would not have cost them or us a penny and activated their visa after the birth.
If the parents are permanent residents then any child under 2 with a birth certificate automatically becomes a permanent resident at POE.
But the temporary green card has to be activated within 6 months. So there was a pretty good chance that if we stayed in SA we might as well have thrown the green card away and tried again later.
Scott
Mar 11th 2005, 4:07 pm
#21
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Re: Healthcare for senior immigrants
excellent reply ingo.
Mar 12th 2005, 12:40 am
#22
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Joined: Mar 2004
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Re: Healthcare for senior immigrants
One of the few (only?) occassion I am going have to disagree with Rete.
I have given up trying to take a logical view on Governmental rulings, there is very little. I thought Brussels was bad but you see what goes on in Washington and they are all the same.
I suppose the analogy that comes to mind is the comparison between Justice and the Legal system.
You just have to go with what the rules are right or wrong, no point in not taking advantage when you can because as sure as eggs is eggs you will be on the other side of the equation soon enough
I have given up trying to take a logical view on Governmental rulings, there is very little. I thought Brussels was bad but you see what goes on in Washington and they are all the same.
I suppose the analogy that comes to mind is the comparison between Justice and the Legal system.
You just have to go with what the rules are right or wrong, no point in not taking advantage when you can because as sure as eggs is eggs you will be on the other side of the equation soon enough
