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Steerpike Jun 14th 2020 4:27 am

Re: Gizza Job
 

Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 12866418)
Thanks for setting this up, whoever did it!

Woo Hoo! The GFM is over $2,500 already.

Kelowna looks absolutely wonderful! Is there a more appropriate thread to discuss this actual move?

scrubbedexpat091 Jun 14th 2020 7:08 am

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Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 12866646)
Just a thought ... not knowing how their algorithm works ... could they start penalizing you for not picking up any jobs? That is - you are currently 'signed up' just so you can observe the traffic, but what if they have a 'rule' in their algorithm that says, anyone who is logging on as 'available' but not picking up jobs after 'x' days, stop showing them jobs ... You never know ...

Could be. The way these things work is above my knowledge and they are of course pretty vague about how it done and probably a trade secret I imagine.

We do pretty good at the shopping part, really the only thing that slows us down is most of our shops were at Wal-Mart and they have a stupid store set up (city of Vancouver hates Wal-Mart and wont let them build a proper store so they are in an old warehouse they converted into a store but much smaller compared to a normal Wal-Mart Super Store) so while you would think cake icing would be with baking stuff its not, its in a random aisle with rice and beans, same with freezer stuff, some frozen meat is with the frozen foods, some are in freezers in the meat section on the opposite side of the store.

Just takes a few times to really get the store layout down and instantly know where to go, once you have done that its pretty quick, but every order seems to have all groceries but then the last item is in electronics in the far back of the store, usually batteries.

2nd hardest thing is people not answering while you shop for them, sometimes you want to make sure a replacement is suitable or such, but all one can do is try, not our fault if they dont answer back and we have to make an educated guess on replacement or refund.

scrubbedexpat091 Jun 14th 2020 7:11 am

Re: Gizza Job
 

Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 12866647)
Woo Hoo! The GFM is over $2,500 already.

Kelowna looks absolutely wonderful! Is there a more appropriate thread to discuss this actual move?

In the Canada Maple Leaf, there is a job, turmoil or something thread, its where I generally post my stuff, and probably where most of the specifics and how things and move are going, its not a dedicated thread for that, but that thread has morphed into many things over the years.

scrubbedexpat091 Jun 21st 2020 6:00 am

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We had the worst experience with a customer today on the app while shopping, luckily majority are easy but omg this one about made me want to just shut the phone off and leave....

kodokan Jun 21st 2020 4:29 pm

Re: Gizza Job
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12869930)
We had the worst experience with a customer today on the app while shopping, luckily majority are easy but omg this one about made me want to just shut the phone off and leave....

I can well believe it. Most of my customers were somewhere between indifferent and wonderful, but I had a few that were ridiculously demanding and entitled. One guy absolutely lost his mind upon delivery, yelling and cursing when he discovered that I wasn’t able to bring the exact brand of bottled water he wanted, a premium one* that is almost never in stock. He only discovered this ‘upon delivery’ because he hadn’t responded to the text I’d sent about it, or picked up his phone when I also called. And then took 10 minutes to answer his door (this was way back, pre-Covid) and had clearly been asleep (it was mid-morning, and I was delivering exactly at the time he’d requested) and then denied that I’d ever texted or called him.

‘Well, it was definitely your voice on your answering machine recording, where you’ll find that I left a message about this - have a good day’. And then I got him blocked from my profile so I’d never receive his orders again. It goes without saying that why yes, this was in the obscenely affluent part of town at a house worth many millions.

Have you joined any of the Facebook Instacart groups? The one with National in brackets at the end is the most active and activist for better IC shopper rights - there are some absolute horror customer stories on there. It’s also extremely useful research to learn of things that shoppers can accidentally do which might get them deactivated - an app boss is a soulless, tyrannical one with no right of appeal, which is why I switched to a regular job instead, for more security.

*He’d also ordered a mid-brand one which I did bring, but apparently ‘I only use this s**t for making coffee - I NEED THE OTHER ONE!’

Steerpike Jun 21st 2020 5:14 pm

Re: Gizza Job
 

Originally Posted by kodokan (Post 12870134)
I can well believe it. Most of my customers were somewhere between indifferent and wonderful, but I had a few that were ridiculously demanding and entitled. One guy absolutely lost his mind upon delivery, yelling and cursing when he discovered that I wasn’t able to bring the exact brand of bottled water he wanted, a premium one* that is almost never in stock. He only discovered this ‘upon delivery’ because he hadn’t responded to the text I’d sent about it, or picked up his phone when I also called. And then took 10 minutes to answer his door (this was way back, pre-Covid) and had clearly been asleep (it was mid-morning, and I was delivering exactly at the time he’d requested) and then denied that I’d ever texted or called him.

‘Well, it was definitely your voice on your answering machine recording, where you’ll find that I left a message about this - have a good day’. And then I got him blocked from my profile so I’d never receive his orders again. It goes without saying that why yes, this was in the obscenely affluent part of town at a house worth many millions.

Have you joined any of the Facebook Instacart groups? The one with National in brackets at the end is the most active and activist for better IC shopper rights - there are some absolute horror customer stories on there. It’s also extremely useful research to learn of things that shoppers can accidentally do which might get them deactivated - an app boss is a soulless, tyrannical one with no right of appeal, which is why I switched to a regular job instead, for more security.

*He’d also ordered a mid-brand one which I did bring, but apparently ‘I only use this s**t for making coffee - I NEED THE OTHER ONE!’

What was this 'high end brand of water'? Just curious!

kodokan Jun 21st 2020 5:26 pm

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Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 12870150)
What was this 'high end brand of water'? Just curious!

The Fiji one - I did get something like a couple of the small 6-bottle packs he ordered, but the guy also wanted a mad quantity of large packs that is almost never available at a standard neighborhood Kroger store. In the early part of the conversation when I was still feeling helpful, I did point out that his request was always going to be difficult to consistently meet from normal store levels, and contacting the store directly to have it special ordered, or using Amazon, would be a better bet.

scrubbedexpat091 Jun 21st 2020 10:05 pm

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We will find a real more stable job once moved, its mostly a way to earn some extra money working a couple of hours a day. Most shops are too far from our house and not worth doing, only 2 stores we shop at a Wal-Mart and a Super Store, majority of the shops offered are in the suburbs but they are too far away.

I'd be too stressed about being deactivated if this was my sole income, I like the flexibility but its not as stable as a real job for the most part, some days there are no batches offered at all, so can be really hit and miss and of course wear and tear on car and self employment expenses, so probably in the long run better off making $15-$16 per hour at a regular job part-time for long term, but the apps do make it a bit easier to get some income when a real job isn't around.

Stores really need to consider new layouts in the COVID world, aisles need to be wider, they are just too narrow for the amount of people now shopping, some reason COVID seems to have sent people into months long shopping sprees or there is a supply chain issue, haven't figured out if the lack of stock on certain products is due to demand, or supply chain issues.


kodokan Jun 21st 2020 11:53 pm

Re: Gizza Job
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12870237)
We will find a real more stable job once moved, its mostly a way to earn some extra money working a couple of hours a day. Most shops are too far from our house and not worth doing, only 2 stores we shop at a Wal-Mart and a Super Store, majority of the shops offered are in the suburbs but they are too far away.

I'd be too stressed about being deactivated if this was my sole income, I like the flexibility but its not as stable as a real job for the most part, some days there are no batches offered at all, so can be really hit and miss and of course wear and tear on car and self employment expenses, so probably in the long run better off making $15-$16 per hour at a regular job part-time for long term, but the apps do make it a bit easier to get some income when a real job isn't around.

Agreed - app jobs are perfect for people looking for flexibility, or like in your case a good temporary fix until you get yourselves relocated and are in a position to look for something more stable. Plus I really enjoyed the work; the balance of in-store shopping, driving listening to audiobooks, meeting the (mostly great) customers, and generally feeling useful in society.

And I’m appreciative that it led to my current job doing the same thing in-store, for customer pickup orders. I’d built up a relationship with various employees there, and was consequently able to completely skip the telephone-and-then-in-person interview process (did the online app, the HR manager personally pulled it from the system, phoned me, and said ‘XYZ people vouched for you, so are you ok if we just cut straight to being hired - can you come in for orientation on Sunday?’) I’d been out of the workplace for 18 years at that point, had no one I could use as references, etc, so this was a great relief to me.

Thanks to my previous shopping experience, I knew the store inside out and back to front, so met - and then vastly exceeded - their speed and productivity goals within a couple of weeks. This, added to being reliable at turning up and not staring at my phone all the time, is buying me a lot of favors when it comes to scheduling - they’re giving me the pick of shifts (I like 6am to 2pm), as many hours as I want when I want them, and reducing them when I don’t (like now - my kids are visiting for summer so I’m doing a 4-day week until I tell them I want 40 hours again).

I’m finding it all pleasingly flexible and agreeable. My teammates are nice, I mostly don’t have to speak to customers in an annoying crazed smile and sycophantic way other than help the odd person find something, so I get lots of good solo thinking time, I’m walking 7-8 miles a day and pulling/ lifting moderately heavy totes so am super fit and have lost nearly 10lbs. After a year I’ll qualify for very cheap health insurance through the union, so that’ll be a fabulous bonus as I’m currently paying nearly $5k annually for this. The pay isn’t completely terrible - with contractual union rises, I’ll be at $13 within a year.

It could all be a lot worse. I hope your move turns out to be equally positive and life-changing!

scrubbedexpat091 Jun 22nd 2020 2:06 am

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We don't come across too many store employees and to be honest most don't even seem aware instacart exists...lol.

Wal-Mart we 95% of the time self check out as its quicker, they have like 12 self check outs open and typically 4 regular check outs and well customers seem to be quicker and more efficient than the cashiers are, Wal-Mart seems to have the slowest cashiers on the planet.

Super Store is almost the same but we use cashiers there 90% of the time as its quicker as they will typically have 8-11 cashiers vs 5-6 self check outs.

Interesting how stores do things.

Biggest hurdle we have with speed is the stores are poorly laid out for online order picking, they are all designed with the customer spending as much time in the store in mind, and not shoppers doing online order picking needing to get around the store and pick items quickly, add in the one way aisles at Wal-Mart and the stores being heavily congested, its hard to get in and out super quickly.

No idea what their metric is for speed, they are very vague in regards to that on the Canadian version.

They provide the metric per shop and overall average, but they don't say what is acceptable and what is too slow.








Originally Posted by kodokan (Post 12870258)
Agreed - app jobs are perfect for people looking for flexibility, or like in your case a good temporary fix until you get yourselves relocated and are in a position to look for something more stable. Plus I really enjoyed the work; the balance of in-store shopping, driving listening to audiobooks, meeting the (mostly great) customers, and generally feeling useful in society.

And I’m appreciative that it led to my current job doing the same thing in-store, for customer pickup orders. I’d built up a relationship with various employees there, and was consequently able to completely skip the telephone-and-then-in-person interview process (did the online app, the HR manager personally pulled it from the system, phoned me, and said ‘XYZ people vouched for you, so are you ok if we just cut straight to being hired - can you come in for orientation on Sunday?’) I’d been out of the workplace for 18 years at that point, had no one I could use as references, etc, so this was a great relief to me.

Thanks to my previous shopping experience, I knew the store inside out and back to front, so met - and then vastly exceeded - their speed and productivity goals within a couple of weeks. This, added to being reliable at turning up and not staring at my phone all the time, is buying me a lot of favors when it comes to scheduling - they’re giving me the pick of shifts (I like 6am to 2pm), as many hours as I want when I want them, and reducing them when I don’t (like now - my kids are visiting for summer so I’m doing a 4-day week until I tell them I want 40 hours again).

I’m finding it all pleasingly flexible and agreeable. My teammates are nice, I mostly don’t have to speak to customers in an annoying crazed smile and sycophantic way other than help the odd person find something, so I get lots of good solo thinking time, I’m walking 7-8 miles a day and pulling/ lifting moderately heavy totes so am super fit and have lost nearly 10lbs. After a year I’ll qualify for very cheap health insurance through the union, so that’ll be a fabulous bonus as I’m currently paying nearly $5k annually for this. The pay isn’t completely terrible - with contractual union rises, I’ll be at $13 within a year.

It could all be a lot worse. I hope your move turns out to be equally positive and life-changing!


tom169 Jun 22nd 2020 2:46 am

Re: Gizza Job
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12870279)
We don't come across too many store employees and to be honest most don't even seem aware instacart exists...lol.

Wal-Mart we 95% of the time self check out as its quicker, they have like 12 self check outs open and typically 4 regular check outs and well customers seem to be quicker and more efficient than the cashiers are, Wal-Mart seems to have the slowest cashiers on the planet.

Super Store is almost the same but we use cashiers there 90% of the time as its quicker as they will typically have 8-11 cashiers vs 5-6 self check outs.

Interesting how stores do things.

Biggest hurdle we have with speed is the stores are poorly laid out for online order picking, they are all designed with the customer spending as much time in the store in mind, and not shoppers doing online order picking needing to get around the store and pick items quickly, add in the one way aisles at Wal-Mart and the stores being heavily congested, its hard to get in and out super quickly.

No idea what their metric is for speed, they are very vague in regards to that on the Canadian version.

They provide the metric per shop and overall average, but they don't say what is acceptable and what is too slow.

Does the app give you a store layout or do you have to figure that out yourself?

scrubbedexpat091 Jun 22nd 2020 3:55 am

Re: Gizza Job
 

Originally Posted by tom169 (Post 12870283)
Does the app give you a store layout or do you have to figure that out yourself?

Have to figure it out yourself.

They give vague things like frozen foods and meat, but say Wal-Mart they have multiple locations within the store where frozen food can be, and one brand of chicken nuggets might be in one area, another brand is over with the fresh meat, its really stupid how these stores are set up, but I guess the stores are designed to keep customers in as long as possible, not designed for app shoppers in a hurry.

kodokan Jun 22nd 2020 9:14 am

Re: Gizza Job
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12870291)
Have to figure it out yourself.

They give vague things like frozen foods and meat, but say Wal-Mart they have multiple locations within the store where frozen food can be, and one brand of chicken nuggets might be in one area, another brand is over with the fresh meat, its really stupid how these stores are set up, but I guess the stores are designed to keep customers in as long as possible, not designed for app shoppers in a hurry.

Where I live it depends on the store. The shopping list is laid out by aisle for Kroger stores, but not for Meijer or Aldi. But even when aisle locations are given, they can sometimes be incorrect. And even when they are right, ‘Aisle 10’ still means it can take 5 mins or more to search the aisle for obscure things.

The software I now use for the instore shopping is abundantly more helpful (at least in theory). It gives me aisle, left or right side, then bay (each 4ft section of shelves is a bay), then shelf number counted up from the floor, then finally number of product spots along that shelf. It should be exactly precise, but often isn’t due to product line resets that have been done in store, but not yet coded into the picking software. Still, it doesn’t take too long to learn just one store. When I was ICing I used to regularly shop at 20+, across 6-7 different supermarket chains.

The chicken nuggets vary by whether they’re cooked or raw; most are precooked and just need warming through. I don’t know if it’s actually a food safety requirement to never have raw/ precooked foods in the same freezer cabinet, or just a result of the distribution chains, but all stores seem to separate them out this way.

The ‘finding things’ challenge for me is when the scanning unit says there are 18 of something in store, but the shelf spot is empty. If they’re not back in the warehouse, then they’re... somewhere. Maybe on a promotional display endcap, maybe there’s a stack of them piled in the lobby area, maybe in one of those round, randomly placed display thingies piled high with candy or whatever, maybe in a small plastic box clipped to a shelf - a few pots of cinnamon spices clipped next to the canned pumpkin, say. Makes for a fun treasure hunt sometimes!

scrubbedexpat091 Jun 22nd 2020 6:05 pm

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Originally Posted by kodokan (Post 12870358)
Where I live it depends on the store. The shopping list is laid out by aisle for Kroger stores, but not for Meijer or Aldi. But even when aisle locations are given, they can sometimes be incorrect. And even when they are right, ‘Aisle 10’ still means it can take 5 mins or more to search the aisle for obscure things.

The software I now use for the instore shopping is abundantly more helpful (at least in theory). It gives me aisle, left or right side, then bay (each 4ft section of shelves is a bay), then shelf number counted up from the floor, then finally number of product spots along that shelf. It should be exactly precise, but often isn’t due to product line resets that have been done in store, but not yet coded into the picking software. Still, it doesn’t take too long to learn just one store. When I was ICing I used to regularly shop at 20+, across 6-7 different supermarket chains.

The chicken nuggets vary by whether they’re cooked or raw; most are precooked and just need warming through. I don’t know if it’s actually a food safety requirement to never have raw/ precooked foods in the same freezer cabinet, or just a result of the distribution chains, but all stores seem to separate them out this way.

The ‘finding things’ challenge for me is when the scanning unit says there are 18 of something in store, but the shelf spot is empty. If they’re not back in the warehouse, then they’re... somewhere. Maybe on a promotional display endcap, maybe there’s a stack of them piled in the lobby area, maybe in one of those round, randomly placed display thingies piled high with candy or whatever, maybe in a small plastic box clipped to a shelf - a few pots of cinnamon spices clipped next to the canned pumpkin, say. Makes for a fun treasure hunt sometimes!


Treasure is a good way to think about it...ha ha

Birthday cake candles can be confusing, the Cake Make ones are in the baking section with the Cake Make decorating at most stores, every other brand is in stationary section, except Wal-Mart which puts all the cake decorating stuff in stationary.

The ethnic food aisle really slows me down, largely because I am not familiar with most of the foods and products in the aisle. The other one that slows down is organic, some organic is in the regular aisles and some is in the organic aisle, how they decide which organic goes where, I haven't a clue.

Taken a couple orders at Staples and man is it ever frustrating looking for a specific type of blue pen in an aisle with like 50+ different kinds of blue pens...and half the stuff in Staples comes up as unrecognized when scanning which further complicates things, so I try not to take Staples runs anymore, Shopper's is the easiest, its a drug store (think Walgreens or CVS) and most of the time its 1 or 2 items and a few units of each, can get in and out in 2-3 minutes, easy $10. I'd rather do 6 $10 shoppers shops than 2 $30 Wal-Mart shops...ha ha but so few use it for Shoppers they are hard to get.

Most interesting order was in the evening a couple weeks ago, cashier at the store was giving me a weird look the whole time. The order consisted of condoms, lube, chocolate syrup & strawberries.

I guess someone was planning for a fun evening.

And nothing like buying 20 units of adult diapers and having people stare, ha ha like really ever think I might have an elderly parent I care for......

I do wish the stores explained instacart better to their cashiers, most seem confused when you tell them there are 3 separate orders and can't ring everything up together, customers waiting in line behind get annoyed too sometimes.















Steerpike Jun 22nd 2020 6:16 pm

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Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12870518)
...

Most interesting order was in the evening a couple weeks ago, cashier at the store was giving me a weird look the whole time. The order consisted of condoms, lube, chocolate syrup & strawberries.

I guess someone was planning for a fun evening.

Did you get to have a good look at the people placing the order, or do you typically place at the front door and run?


Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12870518)
...

I do wish the stores explained instacart better to their cashiers, most seem confused when you tell them there are 3 separate orders and can't ring everything up together, customers waiting in line behind get annoyed too sometimes.

I had asked this earlier and thought I got the answer that you can't / don't bundle orders. So in the case above, you are accepting 3 separate orders from 3 separate customers, buying it all at once, then delivering to the three customers one after the other? I'd be very worried here in Phoenix that if I were the third delivery for such an order, my stuff would have been baking in the car for quite a while (when it's 105 outside, it can get up to 120 or more inside the car when you have to park to deliver the first or second order). It is this concern more than anything that has prevented me from exploring IC.

scrubbedexpat091 Jun 22nd 2020 7:47 pm

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Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 12870525)
Did you get to have a good look at the people placing the order, or do you typically place at the front door and run?


I had asked this earlier and thought I got the answer that you can't / don't bundle orders. So in the case above, you are accepting 3 separate orders from 3 separate customers, buying it all at once, then delivering to the three customers one after the other? I'd be very worried here in Phoenix that if I were the third delivery for such an order, my stuff would have been baking in the car for quite a while (when it's 105 outside, it can get up to 120 or more inside the car when you have to park to deliver the first or second order). It is this concern more than anything that has prevented me from exploring IC.

They only let me accept one batch at a time, but IC will bundle multiple orders into one batch for 2 or 3 different people. We have cooler bags we put the cold/frozen items in. At the store we have to pay for each transaction desperately with the IC credit card. The deliveries are generally close by, so its shop, load car, deliver like yesterday for example the batch with 3 deliveries each delivery was 3-5 minutes apart, IC decides which order everything is delivered. I'd prefer if they just did 1 order per batch, but they don't seem to have enough shoppers to do that, and lately are putting more and more orders into each batch, saw a 4 order batch yesterday even, I try to stick to batches with 1-2 orders where possible as its simply easier.

Sometimes though people will order from Wal-Mart which is on the far east side of Vancouver and will live on the far west side and takes 20-30 minutes depending on traffic, but not much can be done there, we don't have a urban freeway system, so its stop and go traffic the entire way.

99% of the people ask for contactless delivery, so its leave at the door, take photo and go, rarely are the customers seen, some are quite specific as well do not knock, do not call, leave at door and go.

City of Vancouver government is pretty much anti-Wal Mart so there is only one Wal-Mart in the city of Vancouver as the far eastern edge of the city, basically as far east as one can go and still be in the city of Vancouver, one block further and your in Burnaby, Wal-Mart tried in the past to build other stores but always got turned down and appears they have now given up trying, odd thing is the city seems to have no issue with any other big box store, not like Super Store/Loblaws, Home Depot, Lowes, Canadian Tire are any better, big box companies all operate the same way more or less.




Steerpike Jun 22nd 2020 11:45 pm

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Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12870553)
They only let me accept one batch at a time, but IC will bundle multiple orders into one batch for 2 or 3 different people. We have cooler bags we put the cold/frozen items in. At the store we have to pay for each transaction desperately with the IC credit card. The deliveries are generally close by, so its shop, load car, deliver like yesterday for example the batch with 3 deliveries each delivery was 3-5 minutes apart, IC decides which order everything is delivered. I'd prefer if they just did 1 order per batch, but they don't seem to have enough shoppers to do that, and lately are putting more and more orders into each batch, saw a 4 order batch yesterday even, I try to stick to batches with 1-2 orders where possible as its simply easier.

Sometimes though people will order from Wal-Mart which is on the far east side of Vancouver and will live on the far west side and takes 20-30 minutes depending on traffic, but not much can be done there, we don't have a urban freeway system, so its stop and go traffic the entire way.

99% of the people ask for contactless delivery, so its leave at the door, take photo and go, rarely are the customers seen, some are quite specific as well do not knock, do not call, leave at door and go.

City of Vancouver government is pretty much anti-Wal Mart so there is only one Wal-Mart in the city of Vancouver as the far eastern edge of the city, basically as far east as one can go and still be in the city of Vancouver, one block further and your in Burnaby, Wal-Mart tried in the past to build other stores but always got turned down and appears they have now given up trying, odd thing is the city seems to have no issue with any other big box store, not like Super Store/Loblaws, Home Depot, Lowes, Canadian Tire are any better, big box companies all operate the same way more or less.

A couple of weeks ago, I popped out for my weekly shop, driving about 10 minutes to the local store. Got everything I needed, then headed back. Turns out there was a major accident on the way back. After about 20 minutes of stop/go, I pulled off the main road and managed to 'escape' back to the store where I purchased a small cooler bag and some ice, so I could protect the most vulnerable stuff in the car (it was over 100F outside, and full afternoon sun beating in through the windows). Then I took the 34 mile detour that would get me back to my place using an alternate route (the accident happened at a most inconvenient 'choke point' on the route!). Along that route, I realized that there was a chance even this route would get affected by the accident, so I pulled over at Target, bought a massive cooler and another bag of ice, so I could put ALL the 'important stuff' on ice. Luckily, I was able to get home, and nothing spoiled ... and now I have two extra coolers, one being the biggest I've ever owned! Back in the 'old days' (pre-C19), I'd just pop out for odds and ends but these days, when I shop, I SHOP - which makes each 'load' rather valuable!

scrubbedexpat091 Jun 23rd 2020 12:01 am

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Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 12870644)
A couple of weeks ago, I popped out for my weekly shop, driving about 10 minutes to the local store. Got everything I needed, then headed back. Turns out there was a major accident on the way back. After about 20 minutes of stop/go, I pulled off the main road and managed to 'escape' back to the store where I purchased a small cooler bag and some ice, so I could protect the most vulnerable stuff in the car (it was over 100F outside, and full afternoon sun beating in through the windows). Then I took the 34 mile detour that would get me back to my place using an alternate route (the accident happened at a most inconvenient 'choke point' on the route!). Along that route, I realized that there was a chance even this route would get affected by the accident, so I pulled over at Target, bought a massive cooler and another bag of ice, so I could put ALL the 'important stuff' on ice. Luckily, I was able to get home, and nothing spoiled ... and now I have two extra coolers, one being the biggest I've ever owned! Back in the 'old days' (pre-C19), I'd just pop out for odds and ends but these days, when I shop, I SHOP - which makes each 'load' rather valuable!

The desert heat does complicate things. I always wonder about shelf stable items that say don't expose to temps over 80 or 90 degrees, do the semi trucks bringing this product ot the store have any climate control for shelf stable products or is it just such a short time spent in the trailer it doesn't make a difference, but seems a trailer in Phoenix summer heat would get mighty toasty.

I remember when I lived in Phoenix, just going the 4 miles or so from grocery store to my apartment, ice cream was not a good purchase in the July heat...ha ha

I also learned rather quickly not to leave my front door open, I propped it open for 10 minutes while I was going in and out with some bulky items, finished unloading, went back inside, about an hour later walk into the bathroom and there is a rattle snake chilling by the toilet, I assume being the hottest part of the day, open door letting cool air out, the snake thought it would be a nice place to cool off. I made a make shift snake hook and set it back outside.





vespucci Jun 23rd 2020 12:37 am

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Originally Posted by kodokan (Post 12870358)
The ‘finding things’ challenge for me is when the scanning unit says there are 18 of something in store, but the shelf spot is empty. If they’re not back in the warehouse, then they’re... somewhere. Maybe on a promotional display endcap, maybe there’s a stack of them piled in the lobby area, maybe in one of those round, randomly placed display thingies piled high with candy or whatever, maybe in a small plastic box clipped to a shelf - a few pots of cinnamon spices clipped next to the canned pumpkin, say. Makes for a fun treasure hunt sometimes!

Sounds like their count system works quite well. In some stores the count on the scanner is often wrong, it shows a count when there aren't any of the item, or it shows zero (or negative!) when they have lots of the item.

vespucci Jun 23rd 2020 12:46 am

Re: Gizza Job
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12870649)
I assume being the hottest part of the day, open door letting cool air out, the snake thought it would be a nice place to cool off. I made a make shift snake hook and set it back outside.

You were brave!

Steerpike Jun 23rd 2020 5:07 am

Re: Gizza Job
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12870649)
...

I also learned rather quickly not to leave my front door open, I propped it open for 10 minutes while I was going in and out with some bulky items, finished unloading, went back inside, about an hour later walk into the bathroom and there is a rattle snake chilling by the toilet, I assume being the hottest part of the day, open door letting cool air out, the snake thought it would be a nice place to cool off. I made a make shift snake hook and set it back outside.

Holy shit, you are brave! I don't think I could do that! How did you make the snake hook?

scrubbedexpat091 Jun 23rd 2020 5:18 am

Re: Gizza Job
 

Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 12870717)
Holy shit, you are brave! I don't think I could do that! How did you make the snake hook?

took a broom stick, straightened a wire hanger and bent the hangar into a curve at the end. Worked pretty well.

I used to go out as a teenager and look for snakes, and while never handled/dealt with venomous snakes, had used snake hooks before on large non-venomous snakes. I did make sure to put on a pair of jeans and boots and wore a jacket, but the snake was pretty cooperative but did rattle, luckily the bathroom was right by the front door, so didn't have to go far, literally hooked it, walked about 2-3 feet and set it down outside and closed the door, waited an hour, opened the front door and snake gone.

Kind of like this but with a broom stick and wire hanger.


caretaker Jun 23rd 2020 10:42 am

Re: Gizza Job
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12870718)
took a broom stick, straightened a wire hanger and bent the hangar into a curve at the end. Worked pretty well.

I used to go out as a teenager and look for snakes, and while never handled/dealt with venomous snakes

Years ago I took a walk up to the old Fairview town site above Oliver where the town used to be in the gold mining days before it burned down. It wasn't finished being developed as a tourist thing yet, but they had the walking paths laid out. I spent an hour or so kicking around in the underbrush in my running shoes looking for artifacts, but didn't find much. A year later I went back and there was a structure with info boards showing the history of the place, and new signs all over saying be careful and watch out for rattlesnakes. I went back down the hill to my parent's place, and the next day when I returned I was wearing combat boots and staying right in the middle of the path. The only rattlesnake bites I want to see are on old westerns on tv. Plus side is hospitals in the Okanagan are prepared and know what to do if one does come in
https://wildsafebc.com/rattlesnake/

Pulaski Jun 23rd 2020 1:28 pm

Re: Gizza Job
 

Originally Posted by kodokan (Post 12870358)
.... The ‘finding things’ challenge for me is when the scanning unit says there are 18 of something in store, but the shelf spot is empty. If they’re not back in the warehouse, then they’re... somewhere. Maybe on a promotional display endcap, maybe there’s a stack of them piled in the lobby area, maybe in one of those round, randomly placed display thingies piled high with candy or whatever, maybe in a small plastic box clipped to a shelf - a few pots of cinnamon spices clipped next to the canned pumpkin, say. Makes for a fun treasure hunt sometimes!

That reminds me of an incident a few years ago, soon after I discovered that Lowe's live inventory data is available on their web site. I knew exactly what I wanted, a small specialist plumbing tool not much bigger than a matchbox, and I knew that the Lowe's store that I was in had five of them, which may have been as many as they would have sold in a year, so it was implausible that they were all in someone's hand on the way to the check out.

I walked up and down the plumbing aisles, several times, focusing on the bays with tools, and the bays with PEX pipe and fittings (it was a PEX tool I was looking for), I checked the aisle end-caps, the display bins cluttering the aisles, and the things hung on the racking, but I found nothing, not even an empty shelf space or hanger. Then having previously worked in warehousing, and shopping at Lowes at least once a week over the years, I looked in the racking shelves, and there, above the plumbing tools, I saw a small box marked with the product code (also reported on Lowe's web site) for the tool I was looking for.

I found an employee, who listened sceptically to my explanation, but agreed to fetch the steps to access the racking shelves, and when he brought the box down we found that it contained that store's entire inventory of the tool I was looking for! :rofl:

scrubbedexpat091 Jun 23rd 2020 7:13 pm

Re: Gizza Job
 
It's why people who illegally keep venomous exotics and up in trouble when they get bitten. Your local hospital isn't going to have exotic antivenom most likely.

It's expensive and difficult to make with limited shelf life.

It's why zoo's with venomous snakes keep their own stockpile of antivenom for all the species they keep.

But hospitals in locations with venomous snakes usually have a stock of antivenom for snakes in their area.






Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 12870800)
Years ago I took a walk up to the old Fairview town site above Oliver where the town used to be in the gold mining days before it burned down. It wasn't finished being developed as a tourist thing yet, but they had the walking paths laid out. I spent an hour or so kicking around in the underbrush in my running shoes looking for artifacts, but didn't find much. A year later I went back and there was a structure with info boards showing the history of the place, and new signs all over saying be careful and watch out for rattlesnakes. I went back down the hill to my parent's place, and the next day when I returned I was wearing combat boots and staying right in the middle of the path. The only rattlesnake bites I want to see are on old westerns on tv. Plus side is hospitals in the Okanagan are prepared and know what to do if one does come in
https://wildsafebc.com/rattlesnake/


kodokan Jun 23rd 2020 8:31 pm

Re: Gizza Job
 

Originally Posted by vespucci (Post 12870660)
Sounds like their count system works quite well. In some stores the count on the scanner is often wrong, it shows a count when there aren't any of the item, or it shows zero (or negative!) when they have lots of the item.

Oh no, often it’s a mess, especially in the non-grocery departments - produce, meat, dairy, etc. Most of the produce items say there are ‘999+’ of a thing almost all the time, but the produce team are great guys who never mind being asked about stock levels, and don’t mind me rummaging out back in their fruit-and-veggie lair to hunt (they always offer to check out back for me, but I’m trying to become self-sufficient as everyone’s so busy right now).

Meat is the opposite problem - their items usually say ‘NULL’ for everything. And the names of the cuts of meat can differ from my scanner to the label on the packages, and sometimes the bar code UPC will be different, even though it’s clearly the same type of meat (‘Oh, that’s an old UPC for salmon fillets, we haven’t used that one for years’... sigh). The meat guys are also INCREDIBLY irritable right now, with all the supply chain issues they’re living through, and lose their temper at one or more or us at least daily when we ask about stocks or for clarification that X is the correct item. We’re all tiptoeing about trying to be patient with them, and not be too much of a bother.

I don’t know if this is typical, or the result of virus supply disruptions; the fresh departments never seem to get what they order, or even know what’s actually going to turn up from their order each day until the truck arrives. it feels a bit wartime - ‘sorry Mrs Smith, no corn or strawberries this week, how about a turnip and a nice pineapple?!’

Shelf stable items are more true-to-count, and it doesn’t take too long to check the back stock - it’s actually been quite shocking to learn how extremely limited the back stock is for most things! Except sodas; ALWAYS plenty of pallets of sodas cluttering up the receiving bay, but that’s no use as they’re all shrink-wrapped in giant towers much taller than me, and nothing I’m going to mess with as the bottle and can cascade will kill me. So I try to flag down the Coke/ Pepsi stocking people, ask them if they could possibly get to that pallet next if it’s not too much trouble *points, smiles beamingly* and then circle back around later to see if I can get the elusive item that always seems to be at the bottom. I make it a personal challenge to get what the customer ordered, if at all possible!

scrubbedexpat091 Jun 23rd 2020 10:33 pm

Re: Gizza Job
 

Originally Posted by kodokan (Post 12871145)
Oh no, often it’s a mess, especially in the non-grocery departments - produce, meat, dairy, etc. Most of the produce items say there are ‘999+’ of a thing almost all the time, but the produce team are great guys who never mind being asked about stock levels, and don’t mind me rummaging out back in their fruit-and-veggie lair to hunt (they always offer to check out back for me, but I’m trying to become self-sufficient as everyone’s so busy right now).

Meat is the opposite problem - their items usually say ‘NULL’ for everything. And the names of the cuts of meat can differ from my scanner to the label on the packages, and sometimes the bar code UPC will be different, even though it’s clearly the same type of meat (‘Oh, that’s an old UPC for salmon fillets, we haven’t used that one for years’... sigh). The meat guys are also INCREDIBLY irritable right now, with all the supply chain issues they’re living through, and lose their temper at one or more or us at least daily when we ask about stocks or for clarification that X is the correct item. We’re all tiptoeing about trying to be patient with them, and not be too much of a bother.

I don’t know if this is typical, or the result of virus supply disruptions; the fresh departments never seem to get what they order, or even know what’s actually going to turn up from their order each day until the truck arrives. it feels a bit wartime - ‘sorry Mrs Smith, no corn or strawberries this week, how about a turnip and a nice pineapple?!’

Shelf stable items are more true-to-count, and it doesn’t take too long to check the back stock - it’s actually been quite shocking to learn how extremely limited the back stock is for most things! Except sodas; ALWAYS plenty of pallets of sodas cluttering up the receiving bay, but that’s no use as they’re all shrink-wrapped in giant towers much taller than me, and nothing I’m going to mess with as the bottle and can cascade will kill me. So I try to flag down the Coke/ Pepsi stocking people, ask them if they could possibly get to that pallet next if it’s not too much trouble *points, smiles beamingly* and then circle back around later to see if I can get the elusive item that always seems to be at the bottom. I make it a personal challenge to get what the customer ordered, if at all possible!

When I worked at Target our backroom was always cluttered with Coke and Pepsi products and chips. We were not allowed under any circumstances to touch the coke and pepsi products in the back, even if the shelf was empty out front, the contract Target had at that time (maybe still do?) said only coke and pepsi stock people could stock the shelf, seems even here in Canada its done that way, same with the Frito Lay chips, we couldn't stock those either, only the Frito Lay person could. It was frustrating as some customers would peek through the stock room window and see pallets of coke but couldn't understand why we could not give them any...

The system used back then was pretty good, majority of the time the product was in the correct location and in the quantity listed but sometimes there was a ghost, system says we should have X amount but its nowhere to be found.

I enjoyed that job, daytime stocking wasn't too bad, no supervisor, no stress, just stocked through the day, but the pay sucked, was only $6.75 per hour which was min wage at that time but hey at the time if you worked 27.75 hours or more per week you got healthcare, but sucked they scheduled nearly everyone not in management at 27.25 hours per week so just shy of the 27.75 hours needed, but hey they could technically say they offered healthcare benefits.

Target was/is more or less a dead end company if you don't have a degree, they required a bachelor or higher for any store management, at least Wal-Mart as bad as they are do promote more from within and its possible to work up from bottom up, where Target seems to prefer the, hire straight out of university into middle level store management with little to no work experience.








Pulaski Jun 23rd 2020 10:45 pm

Re: Gizza Job
 

Originally Posted by kodokan (Post 12871145)
.... I don’t know if this is typical, or the result of virus supply disruptions; the fresh departments never seem to get what they order, or even know what’s actually going to turn up from their order each day until the truck arrives. it feels a bit wartime - ‘sorry Mrs Smith, no corn or strawberries this week, how about a turnip and a nice pineapple?!’ .....

I have found the whole shopping experience has become a crap-shoot in recent weeks, and not just fresh produce, but things at random going out of stock - last weekend at one or two of the competing groceries I go to to cover all the bases, I found that mushrooms, locally produced sausage meat (two different brands), and instant porridge oats were out of stock, and bread flour was out of stock in both stores.

.... .... it’s actually been quite shocking to learn how extremely limited the back stock is for most things! ....
Agreed, people would be shocked if they knew how limited the stock is for most groceries - two deliveries a week to the grocery, and each delivery with enough for 3-4 days of business, so if the delivery of product X is late then the shelf will probably be bare four days after the last delivery. There is substantially no stock held at the store that isn't on the shelf, other than deliveries waiting to be put on the shelves.

When I worked in a manufacturer's warehouse, in the UK, the warehouse only held, on average, one week's demand, in other words if deliveries from the factories stopped then the warehouse would be empty in one week on average. "On average" meant that some products produced in batches might be stored for several weeks, or longer for seasonal goods produced ahead of time, but other popular products might run out in only 3-4 days if delieveries stopped, and it certainly wasn't uncommon for a "just in time" delivery to be "not quite in time". There were certainly occasions when I went to the loading docks to get product that had just been received and add it to an order that was being loaded, and on one occasion I remember I loaded an order that was missing a product that we and run out of, and after closing the trailer and it pulling off the dock, a factory delivery backed up to the dock that contained the product that was missing. :lol: And for the most part, products came off the production line and were prepped for loading to take to the warehouses - there was very little addtional inventory held at the factories.

So, TL; DNR version: if production stops, deliveries to the warehouses would stop in 24-48 hours, which would run out of supplies in less than 7 days for popular products, and the groceries would have bare shelves 4 days later, so less than two weeks of demand is in the supply chain! :blink:

kodokan Jun 23rd 2020 11:21 pm

Re: Gizza Job
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12871193)
I enjoyed that job, daytime stocking wasn't too bad, no supervisor, no stress, just stocked through the day, but the pay sucked, was only $6.75 per hour which was min wage at that time but hey at the time if you worked 27.75 hours or more per week you got healthcare, but sucked they scheduled nearly everyone not in management at 27.25 hours per week so just shy of the 27.75 hours needed, but hey they could technically say they offered healthcare benefits.

Target was/is more or less a dead end company if you don't have a degree, they required a bachelor or higher for any store management, at least Wal-Mart as bad as they are do promote more from within and its possible to work up from bottom up, where Target seems to prefer the, hire straight out of university into middle level store management with little to no work experience.

I think that sort of hours finagling is typical of all supermarkets- except currently in the online order picking department I’m in! We’re very much the golden child right now, and probably for the next year or two. I could have 40 hours every week if I wanted them; I’ve actually asked/ told my supervisor to put me on more of a 30-32 4-day week pattern for the next month or so, because my daughter is here visiting from out of state, so I want more time with her. He agreed with no issues because he’s a really nice guy, but with lots of mock sadness at losing one of his fastest pickers for one day a week. He frankly says he’d love to schedule me for 7 days a week if it wasn’t for the obvious burn out that would cause, and the fact that obviously I’d refuse!

I currently get $11.50 an hour - with 6 and 12 monthly newbie rises and a cost of living bump that are all baked into the union contract, I’ll be on $13 by next March. And then it’ll go up 50c-$1 every year or so after that - reading the way it’s charted in the contract for the next few years, I’m guessing the company is easing itself into the inevitability that is the $15 minimum wage that will kick in at some point.

Since I’ve already done so many 40 hour weeks, I’m also well on the way to hitting the 52-weekly average hours to qualify for health insurance at the end of my first year, which will save me about $4k. Looking forward to that.

The work is pleasant and easy with just the right amount of human interaction, the other employees are nice, the store management are decent and reasonable people. I get lots of exercise built into my working day; have choice of shift patterns which has settled into a consistent 6a-2p; clock in and out for shifts but no one manages what I do for the 8 hours between so I can take my breaks when I want, take as many restroom pit stops as I want, etc. I have a 401k, and health insurance on the way, and a not completely terrible salary. It’s pretty much recession-proof, and it’s a job I can easily glide into semi-retirement during my 50s. There are much worse things I could be doing.

scrubbedexpat091 Jun 24th 2020 1:48 am

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Pay is a little more here in BC for grocery stores, but in CAD$ so I guess its actually lower in USD$ lol...

The min wage here in BC is $14.60 which works out to about $10.79 in US$, our min wage will be $15/hr by next June.

My wife worked for 2 months early in this year before the pandemic going online orders for the one chain that does it in house here, the job itself was fine, but the working environment was toxic so she left, that is the biggest with retailers here in Canada, most offer such a toxic work environment, if the work environment in retail stores wasn't so toxic here, they would be so bad. They also hired her part-time 20 hours per week, then as soon as she started wanted her to do 40 hours a week, called her on her days off trying to get her to work, which didn't help, she can't do 40 hours a week with her disability.

Supervisor and above make ok wage in grocery stores, one chain pays dept supervisors 22/hr and assist managers like $26/hr.



Originally Posted by kodokan (Post 12871220)
I think that sort of hours finagling is typical of all supermarkets- except currently in the online order picking department I’m in! We’re very much the golden child right now, and probably for the next year or two. I could have 40 hours every week if I wanted them; I’ve actually asked/ told my supervisor to put me on more of a 30-32 4-day week pattern for the next month or so, because my daughter is here visiting from out of state, so I want more time with her. He agreed with no issues because he’s a really nice guy, but with lots of mock sadness at losing one of his fastest pickers for one day a week. He frankly says he’d love to schedule me for 7 days a week if it wasn’t for the obvious burn out that would cause, and the fact that obviously I’d refuse!

I currently get $11.50 an hour - with 6 and 12 monthly newbie rises and a cost of living bump that are all baked into the union contract, I’ll be on $13 by next March. And then it’ll go up 50c-$1 every year or so after that - reading the way it’s charted in the contract for the next few years, I’m guessing the company is easing itself into the inevitability that is the $15 minimum wage that will kick in at some point.

Since I’ve already done so many 40 hour weeks, I’m also well on the way to hitting the 52-weekly average hours to qualify for health insurance at the end of my first year, which will save me about $4k. Looking forward to that.

The work is pleasant and easy with just the right amount of human interaction, the other employees are nice, the store management are decent and reasonable people. I get lots of exercise built into my working day; have choice of shift patterns which has settled into a consistent 6a-2p; clock in and out for shifts but no one manages what I do for the 8 hours between so I can take my breaks when I want, take as many restroom pit stops as I want, etc. I have a 401k, and health insurance on the way, and a not completely terrible salary. It’s pretty much recession-proof, and it’s a job I can easily glide into semi-retirement during my 50s. There are much worse things I could be doing.


scrubbedexpat091 Jun 25th 2020 6:34 pm

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Having now used IC as a customer a few times, I can see why we get such good ratings... :rofl:

The delivery person on my order today left our stuff on the street in front of the main door, didn't deliver to the door as they were supposed to.

I normally give 5 stars even if a small error occurred, but goodness leaving the items outside where anyone could waltz by and take them and not delivering to the door when the apartment is very clearly on the address just isn't acceptable.

scrubbedexpat091 Jun 25th 2020 10:04 pm

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IC sometimes doesn't understand geography and at least here they don't let the customer choose which store location, all you get to do is pick the chain, IC picks the actual location.

But some reason IC thinks that North Vancouver Wal-Mart is better than choosing Vancouver Wal-Mart for people who live downtown, to get from North Vancouver to Vancouver Downtown requires crossing a bridge, a very congested bridge, something most are not willing to do, unless your already in North Vancouver and going to Vancouver.

Also orders within downtown, sorry $8 with a 0.86 tip wont cut it, parking costs money downtown.

These are common scenarios where orders sit and sit in the available batch sometimes for hours without being taken.

Bots also seem to be an issue, which in part I think explains why we don't see any good batches anymore, just low paying ones nobody wants to do...lol

Only got $24 today, doing $10 orders isn't really worth the time, after taxes and expenses like gas, not sure any money to be made on $10 orders lol

scrubbedexpat091 Jun 27th 2020 5:43 pm

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I am not sure how the whole bot thing works with IC, but seems its probably the problem now that they went back to their usual method of batch offering which may explain why we see so few and what we do see are like $8-$12 which are not worth doing, the time and gas it takes for a $10 shop without a tip.

Having browsed IC subs on reddit, American's seem to tip far better, typical tip here in Vancouver is $3 or less.

The highest batch that has come across today has been $12.60

So far this week we have made $105 worst week so far, last Saturday we were at $250 already.


sid nv Nov 7th 2020 3:44 am

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Working part-time as a poll worker is not going too well as certain people seem to be getting irritated at the speed of my vote counting. I do like to be methodical. But a more interesting opportunity has presented itself:


Cannabis Trimmer


From $12 an hour - Part-time
This is a part-time entry level position in the Cannabis Industry. Those who excel will be elevated.
Being paid to be elevated is clearly a role that matches my skillset. But closer inspection reveals:


All applicants will be considered for employment without attention to race, color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, national origin, veteran or disability status
All well and good, but I don't see age mentioned in that list of attentions. 18 months into my job search and I think ageism might possibly be a thing here.




scrubbedexpat091 Nov 7th 2020 3:49 am

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ageism is most definitely an issue in both the US and Canada.

Steerpike Nov 7th 2020 4:11 am

Re: Gizza Job
 

Originally Posted by sid nv (Post 12932101)
Working part-time as a poll worker is not going too well as certain people seem to be getting irritated at the speed of my vote counting. I do like to be methodical. But a more interesting opportunity has presented itself:



Being paid to be elevated is clearly a role that matches my skillset. But closer inspection reveals:



All well and good, but I don't see age mentioned in that list of attentions. 18 months into my job search and I think ageism might possibly be a thing here.

Are you REALLY working as a poll worker right now, in Nevada?! Any stories to tell ?

AZ just legalized weed so there could be opportunities for career movement shortly!


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