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I suppose the law wont apply to federally regulated jobs within NV?

Airlines for example are federally regulated, the federal government says all employees in a safety sensitive position (pilots, flight attendants, ramp, maintenance etc.) must be drug tested on hire as well as random testing in place during employment.

I would assume federal rules overrule state in such a case?

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You think we gonna kowtow to the federal government here? No sir, we are rootin' tootin' patriots who lift 100lb+ chunks of stone all day from sunup until sundown, then retire to the Bucket of Blood saloon to be serenaded by cowboy poets, get drunk on whiskey and have a fight. This here's what ah'm talkin' 'bout:
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/a...r-bunkerville/

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Meanwhile, in the Bucket o' Blood Saloon...

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Yeehah. This line in particular resonated:

"A tough man can get out of a situation, but a smart man never gets himself into one"

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You would assume correctly.

I see a lot of young graduates in my field (tech) who think that just because something is legal in San Francisco, local law will trump Federal Law when it comes to working in the defense industry or when the Federal Government mandates that their contractors operate (and test for) a drug-free workplace.

This is apparently the most horrifically unfair thing in the history of humanity in their eyes, and they should simultaneously be able to stick it to The Man whilst drawing a paycheck from said Man.

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To the question on federally regulated jobs in NV, the new Act only specifically cites an exception for employees who operate a motor vehicle and for which federal or state law requires a screening test. However there is also an exception "That, in the determination of the employer, could adversely affect the safety of others.", so a more general opt-out is available where safety is concerned. For airlines this lines up with FAA policy that, as Jsmth points out, requires drug and alcohol testing for all employees who perform safety-sensitive functions.

When my wife and I were waiting outside in line for the local Social Security Administration office to open, we (among others) were warned by a security guard not to attempt to carry marijuana into the building, as it is a federal office and federal law applies.

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I have now successfully secured a role in logistics by way of signing up for a company that arranges deliveries using own vehicle. Here is the deal:

They pay per delivery, starting at $1.00 per delivery. The average delivery pays $6.

I pay the cost of buying a car, pay for all car repairs, pay for repeat replacement parts like tires, battery etc, pay the road tax, auto insurance, breakdown cover, all petrol, motor oil etc. I have bought a new smartphone that is compatible with their app, and pay for cellphone service and internet service.

How this setup is even legal I don't know. Anyway, I am so bored sitting at home gawping at the computer screen all day, I figure I will give it a go. It turns out to be fruitless since the hiring company appears to have virtually no customers in the area I signed up for.

So yesterday someone who introduces themselves as 'Hey this is Kate' texts me to say I have been ready to start making money now for 8 days, I have made no deliveries, and am I still interested in working for them? I am tempted to point out that I don't work for them, and if they actually employed people instead if using the 'independent contractor' cop-out then they would be in trouble for paying less than minimum wage. Instead I politely point out that they do not appear to have any customers in this area. After a bit of texting back and forth during which I send a screenshot of their app to prove my point, Kate sends me a list of 'Pro-tips' including a suggestion that I check at midnight to grab those slots fast. Yeah, like I am going to be sitting and staring at the phone at midnight to earn $6.

If this gig economy is what the younger generation are facing, I really despair for them.

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Gig economy? You're late to the party that's been going on a long time.
You're over thinking it. If you want to do delivery than Pizza Delivery. Have you looked at Fed Ex or UPS?
You can also do rural mail carriers which is contract basis, see local post office for flyers if they have any contracts open.

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I presume that you have missed the point of this thread -- that it is about age discrimination and jobs for over-65s.

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Stay woke, bro.

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Had my first suggestion of job rejection due to ageism recently, when an application asked a couple of questions that indicated my age. Shortly after my application I received a message stating that the hiring process had moved on, and the same job was re-advertised the next day.

I have now signed up for a job delivering food using my own car. The hiring company avoids the minimum wage requirement by operating couriers as independent contractors rather than employees. Financially it is a ridiculous proposition, but a lifetime of work has rendered me incapable of relaxing in my dotage. I have now completed around 40 deliveries.
My initial expectation was of delivering boatloads of pre-ordered Sushi to wealthy tax-dodgers residing in the foothills of the Sierra Nevada and being tipped with $100 bills. Not so, quite the opposite. A typical delivery involves going to McDonald's, waiting in line to place the order myself, waiting unpaid for the order to be prepared, and then driving 50 yards to the trailer park to deliver to Miss Lardy who cannot be bothered to walk across the street to fetch her quarterpounder large fries and bucket of Dr Pepper. The most popular destination is a massive apartment complex whose existence I was formerly unaware of. This place is a labyrinth of blocks labelled A through Z with children playing in areas decorated in pigeon shit.
I very seldom eat out and make up sandwiches to take to work, so it has been interesting to visit various eateries. I especially like Wendy's. Wendy's is a fast-food burger chain so I was expecting the worst, but our local Wendy's has very nice decor, a fireplace, wood-effect tiled flooring, large windows framing a view of the mountains, and 4-piece spicy chicken nuggets for $0.99. What more could one want? Delightful place.

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Regarding "A typical delivery involves going to McDonald's, waiting in line to place the order myself, " ... surely, these services have 'apps' and the apps let the buyer place the order? If you have to place the order yourself, do you also have to pay it yourself? or is that part handled for you? That seems so odd.

I salute your resilience in giving this a try! Are these mainly lunch runs, evening runs, or 4 in the morning munchie runs?

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The customer uses an app to place the order, but for most fast-food joints I have to get in line or use the drive-thru to place the order and use a debit card provided by the company to pay. The busy times for me are dinner time (or lunchtime, depending on which side of the tracks you come from) and teatime. Sundays is a little different, people order food at all hours.

I quite enjoy this job as it gets me out of the house for a few hours and I get to pootle around town. My wife often comes along, I do the driving and she walks the order to the customer door. We had an amusing incident this morning. Denny's was packed full and the waiting area and lobby were crammed with people waiting for a table. We were waiting for the to-go order to be prepared. The Maitre d' announced "Party of 4, Miguel", at which point a guy said "Those two old people over there were here before us", pointing at us and everyone looked over. My wife retorted 'What's with the "old"!'. The guy looked mortified and came over and apologised, but we could not stop laughing.

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Are you making a profit after your expenses?

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That is a good question, and can probably only be answered accurately in the long term. However if I take today as an example, I earned $31.51 over a period of 5.5 hours and drove 32 miles. If I use the IRS mileage rate of 58c per mile to calculate expenses, I have $18.56 in costs, resulting in a profit of $12.95, or $2.35 per hour. And that is on a good day. Businesses often benefit from employing relatives, so if I take my wife along for the ride there should be some consideration for her effort but I have not yet figured out how that works.

As admirable as this bit of capitalist exploitation is, I have to wonder how long this practice will stand up to scrutiny especially in libtard states like California.

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We had thought about trying it, but after talking to a few people we know who have tried, seems to be little left after the cost of gas and of course wear and tear on the car, one friend my wife as said she ended up averaging $3-$4 per hour most days.

Now the person we know who rides a bike and just accepts orders for downtown area, he makes okay money but of course no gas and downtown and is pretty compact, provided one is in the physical shape to deliver via bicycle.

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I've always been a strong supporter of minimum wage standards, but I don't think they should apply to every type of job. I think anyone working at (eg) Walmart, or McDonalds, or on a factory production line, should be eligible for minimum wage. But what about a security guard at the front desk of an office building, who is paid to basically sit there and be a 'presence', and is allowed to read a book ... less clear to me.

When you say $32 over 5.5 hours, with only 32 miles covered, how did that 5.5 hours break down? 32 miles shouldn't take more than an hour to drive, so the rest of the time was presumably ... waiting around? Waiting in your car, at home, at the cash registers ...? If the system operated at 'full capacity' - that is, you were 100% occupied/busy for the entire time, how much do you think you could have made in that 5.5 hours?

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It's not less clear to me... that security guard is still giving up their time to sit there being bored out of their skull. I doubt it's an activity they'd choose to do absent being paid for it.

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And in the event of an emergency they will likely be assisting. I did security in hotels and its not as boring as your walking the property and in a large high-rise a walk through takes an hour usually, so there is something to do, and while most nights it was a boring boring job, some nights was nothing but on the go, dealing with one issue after another, anything from fire alarms going off, to violence in the rooms and needing to call police, often the public only see's someone sitting around, but you never really know what the job actually entails unless you have done it.

Any security job I ever had paid above min wage, its a crappy job for the most part and any reputable company will need to pay above minimum to attract employees, I generally made $14-$15/hr in So. California doing it, back then min wage was lower vs now though, here in BC some security jobs push $20/hr.

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Agreed. This does raise the question of how work should be measured. Classically in Joules, and I love that a related unit for measuring heat is the British Thermal Unit or BTU, which is used in the US but no longer used in the UK due to the incroach of soppy metric units.

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Not to belabor the point (but i will). Pizza Delivery is min wage, a buck or two per delivery and a tip (most of the time). Just have to wait in the kitchen for the pizzas to come out and maybe get a mistake at the end of the night. Better than working for the corporate UBERs and delivering big macs of all things. Dominoes, Pizza Hut or your local pizza joint.

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The attraction of working for the UBERs is that you get to pick and choose what orders to accept, so in theory you have complete flexibility with hours and you are your own boss. The reality is as I found out yesterday when I accepted an order to drive to the other end of town (which itself is unusual), I arrived at Round Table to discover the order was not ready to pick up but I had to order and pay for the Pizza which is another 20 minutes waiting for the Pizza to be prepared during which I am not being paid.
As it happens, Round Table are hiring delivery drivers. So how does this work if there are no orders coming in? Is it a fixed hours shift? Does the driver have to accept any other duties while idle on shift: cleaning the kitchen, restrooms etc?

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The way it used to work for me is you wait around for the order. Nothing else to do but maybe read a book or bs with the other drivers. I can't imagine driving 20 min. to pick up an order (and on top of that you had to pay for it, Ridiculous). There's easier ways to make a buck. It's time to start job hopping, everybody does it.

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This deal where orders don't seem to be placed for you, and aren't paid for by the original buyer through their 'app', suggests a really crappy outfit doing the service. Is this one of the many companies I've seen out and about (doordash, grubhub, postmates, etc)? It would be interesting to see if your particular service is just a bad implementation.

I eat out all the time and see all these companies doing pickups, so I know they are busy - especially doordash and grubhub. They show up at the restaurant and seem to pick up their order and leave without any fuss.

https://urbantastebud.com/best-food-...-service-apps/

However, I have never in my life ordered home delivery (not even pizza!) so I can't say I know how the whole process works, end-to-end. I prefer my food freshly prepared and don't trust the delivery folks to handle the order cleanly/safely. Also, I don't like having strangers come to my door ... (Amazon delivery is blowing that particular fettish! :) ).

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Probably the same as any other delivery people, they pay you very little and you get paid by mileage/tips so if you're not delivering you're not earning.

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If the pizza place is paying hourly plus tips you will probably be doing other things when there is nothing to deliver, cleaning, food prep-etc.

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The company in question is the outfit that was recently in the news when their tipping policy was described in a New York Times article. I read that one Alan Arkin in NYC has started a class action suit against them for deception over their claim that the drivers receive tips on the app.
Some orders are placed and paid for on the app (Appleby's, Denny's), and some have to be ordered and paid for on arrival - fast food outlets and now it appears some pizza places.
There have been some reports of drivers helping themselves to a few french fries etc. Tampering with food is I believe a felony offence.

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Interesting! So they are trying to catch a wide audience by offering not only 'associated' / 'signed up' vendors (Denny's, Appleby's), but 'any vendor you want', and then asking you to place the order for these 'non-associated' vendors. What's really odd here is - almost every restaurant I know will accept a direct 'take out' order from a member of the public, totally independent of whether they support these new 'app' services. So I can call my local Pizza place, or my local Indian restaurant, and place an order. They take my name, and that's it. I drive there, tell them my name, and pick up the order, which was started / placed the minute I hung up the phone. But in your case, they go through this 'app', and have to wait till you get to the restaurant before the order even gets started - so much longer process - longer time before I get my food.

I'll keep the name anonymous in this thread but if you google the particulars you mention above, it's super easy to find. So this really is one of the mainstream players, and ... wow ... their tip process is downright fraudulent (or was until that buy blew the whistle).

I think I watched a movie once where it showed kids 'doing stuff' with the pizzas they were delivering and it really put me off :) Also, I spent the last 25 years living in a house at the end of a steep, winding private road with no turnaround. so anyone who came to our house had to figure out how to turn around in a tight spot, and 50% of the time they would hit the fence or the wall or something ... which meant I was forever repairing the stuff ... so I've always tried to minimize the number of strangers coming to my home!

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I asked the mods about posting about what I do for a living - I'm a "destination services consultant" which means I help people move into the city I live in - dealing with housing/ssn/banks/schools. I'm an independant contractor and I work with "Destination Services Providers' who are contracted on behalf of multi-national companies.
The age range of us is mid 20's-60's, mostly female but some blokes. Backgrounds are usually pretty international - moving around and experienced in what our "assignees" are going through isn't a pre-requisite but very much liked - often bi-lingual but not always and often a professional background of some kind. It's a great job and pays pretty well. If you live in a place where there are a lot of people arriving/departing then it might be something to look out for?
In my case, I contacted the company that organised my move state-side and they took me on. Then I updated my LinkedIn profile to have "destination services consultand + city name" and I've had others contact me through that. One of them has an alert in place on LinkedIN and I was contacted by them within a couple of days of updating my profile

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I do indeed live in a place where there are a lot of people arriving and departing, but since this is a popular destination for older folk, our perception of departing may differ. I have seen a few jobs advertised with descriptions such as Removal Technician, with requirements including ability to lift 100 lbs+, ability to work with kindness and compassion for the deceased and their families, and ability to work in a fast paced environment. As to their destination, this is a grave question and one can only hope their SSN will admit them to the right place.

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:rofl:

Excellent, Sid!

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ha ha... Wicked Whack...:demon:
Did you write that while queuing for the pizzas?

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No, but I really must stop posting when I am tired and emotional.

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Would PM be an abbreviation for PostMates?

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To the contrary - I was actually applauding your reply - (to what struck me as a pretty self-serving post.)
It was *very* funny.

Matter of fact - I've actually been admiring the ironic detachment and grim humour you sometimes summon in recounting this impasse in your life.
Can't be easy for you....But keep on keepin' on, as they say...
It's all relative...
And could be a whole lot worse. See here:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/21/nyregion/doordash-ubereats-food-app-delivery-bike.html

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What's the tax filing situation when you earn money this way? Will it be easy?

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Tax filing easy? Aliens from the planet Britain, start here:
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p519.pdf