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Old Mar 1st 2018, 4:46 pm
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Originally Posted by Boiler
Sadly many on here do want to ban.
First of all, it's not "many" but rather just a very few. Secondly, why is that sad? People are entitled to their opinion and, thanks to the FIRST Amendment, they're free to speak out regarding their own beliefs.
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Originally Posted by Leslie
First of all, it's not "many" but rather just a very few. Secondly, why is that sad? People are entitled to their opinion and, thanks to the FIRST Amendment, they're free to speak out regarding their own beliefs.


Sorry, just my belief.
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Old Mar 1st 2018, 4:58 pm
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Originally Posted by Boiler


Sorry, just my belief.
Don't be sorry. You are entitled to your opinion and first amendment right to speech as well. I love everybody (except spotty nobodies) in this thread, even the ones I disagree with.
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Old Mar 1st 2018, 5:28 pm
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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing
Like, who the hell does that - defines themselves by their guns. It's maximum cringe.

Someone with inadequacy issues?
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Someone with inadequacy issues?
Maybe. Or fear of something.

There's a vast chasm of difference between "Hey, I love hunting, want to come try it out", or "Come to the range with me and try this gun, I think it's fun, you might do so too" to "Guns are my life and I will literally shoot you in the head if you look at me the wrong way."
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Don't be sorry. You are entitled to your opinion and first amendment right to speech as well. I love everybody (except spotty nobodies) in this thread, even the ones I disagree with.
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Old Mar 1st 2018, 6:22 pm
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Originally Posted by Boiler
Sadly many on here do want to ban.
Can't recall 1 person wanting a ban on guns.
You're twisiting the facts.
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My daughter had to be picked-up from school a little while back after some kid decided it would be a good idea to bring a handgun into school. FWIW I don't think he planned on doing anything with it, and might be having second thoughts now he is spending some time in the local jail.

It does bring the debate into focus.

On a personal level Boiler, I am someone that would be ok with a ban. I am however acutely aware that I am new to this country and it has it's own culture an history that I need to respect if I wish to stay. Part of that is the 2A and so I wouldn't advocate for a ban. I do however think it should not be beyond people to have adult conversations about ways to mitigate risks in life. It's why the constant harping about cars and mobiles does you a disservice in my opinion. I'd happily jump on a debate about the need to have stricter rules on both, better driving instruction, etc.
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I found this article quite interesting

History of the AR-15 and why it's frequently used in US mass shootings - Business Insider

Dicks had previously stopped selling guns to under 21's and then changed their mind. It seems that not much in the US sticks as far as legislation goes. So much legislation is temporary. AR-15s were banned up until 2004, and then the law lapsed.
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Over the years I have mentioned in general conversation about how easy the US Driving Test is, there are similarities I think, my impression is that most Americans see Driving as a right, have yet to come across one who thinks that the test should be harder.

There are Driving Instructors in Colorado, I know because I have seen a marked car, but they are seemingly a very rare species.
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I was only 10 in 1964 but I remember reading an article in dad's Argosy magazine about the new M-16 replacing the M-14 rifle and the tumbling effect of the .223 high-velocity round on contact. One test it had to pass was penetrating a steel helmet at 600 yds.
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Originally Posted by BenK91
It's like writing a post and putting it in a bottle and throwing it into the sea.

The facts are the facts. It's a shame a few people on here are clearly incapable of acknowledging that and just throw the blame elsewhere. .....
Like the fact that killings in the US committed using rifles, of any sort are a small percentage of the total. Restricting access to rifles might reduce the number of spree killings, but is unlikely to make a noticeable difference to the total number of killings each year in the US using firearms.

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Originally Posted by Pulaski
Like the fact that killings in the US committed using rifles, of any sort are a small percentage of the total. Restricting access to rifles might reduce the number of spree killings, but is unlikely to make a noticeable difference to the total number of killings each year in the US using firearms.
Banning handguns would, the same as it did in the UK. However I don't see that happening in the US.
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Originally Posted by mrken30
Banning handguns would, the same as it did in the UK. However I don't see that happening in the US.
Because the anti-gun lobby is fixated on scary "assault rifles".
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
Because the anti-gun lobby is fixated on scary "assault rifles".
To be fair, it has been a long time since anyone was killed with a tommy gun since they were banned.
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