Florida shooting
#721
Re: Florida shooting
Nice to hear a high ranking police officer call out the NRA'S bs.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...action-sot.cnn
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...action-sot.cnn
#722
Re: Florida shooting
How long before the NRA, asshole 45, et al start to blame the 'good guy with a gun'. Would you be so keen to offer yourself up for target practice? Presumably it is the assumption that an SRO is there to run gung ho, Rambo style, into a fire fight without assessing the situation?
#723
Re: Florida shooting
School cop probably didn't have enough guns, or heavy enough weaponry to make it a "fair fight". What's going to happen when the first teacher issued with a 9mm pistol gets shot by a loony with a couple of AR-15s?
The NRA won't be happy until every public building in the USA is like a post-apocalyptic survivalist zombie movie, where the only thing that matters is how well-armed you are.
The NRA won't be happy until every public building in the USA is like a post-apocalyptic survivalist zombie movie, where the only thing that matters is how well-armed you are.
#724
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Re: Florida shooting
Seems like he resigned tp protect his pension, I think we can safety assume he will also be moving from the area.
#725
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Re: Florida shooting
How long before the NRA, asshole 45, et al start to blame the 'good guy with a gun'. Would you be so keen to offer yourself up for target practice? Presumably it is the assumption that an SRO is there to run gung ho, Rambo style, into a fire fight without assessing the situation?
A coach, and a few students, died jumping in front of other students. The one guy with the means to end it stayed outside.
IIRC the standard response to an active shooter changed in recent years from wait for backup to engage as soon as possible. They had a 60 minutes piece on it last year.
#727
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Re: Florida shooting
Yes, that's also what his boss expected him to do. He's also paid to do it. Hence the SRO resigned.
A coach, and a few students, died jumping in front of other students. The one guy with the means to end it stayed outside.
IIRC the standard response to an active shooter changed in recent years from wait for backup to engage as soon as possible. They had a 60 minutes piece on it last year.
A coach, and a few students, died jumping in front of other students. The one guy with the means to end it stayed outside.
IIRC the standard response to an active shooter changed in recent years from wait for backup to engage as soon as possible. They had a 60 minutes piece on it last year.
Isn't that the definition of manslaughter?
#728
Re: Florida shooting
How long before the NRA, asshole 45, et al start to blame the 'good guy with a gun'. Would you be so keen to offer yourself up for target practice? Presumably it is the assumption that an SRO is there to run gung ho, Rambo style, into a fire fight without assessing the situation?
Yet Trump still pushes his 'guns for teachers' as a sensible solution. It's not sensible, and it's not a solution.
#729
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Re: Florida shooting
"School resource officers are sworn law enforcement officers who are responsible for safety and crime prevention in schools, although their exact roles differ from school to school and authority to authority.
Employed by the local police or sheriff's office, they document incidents and can make arrests, as well as working on areas such as mentoring and education."
So do we actually know that he was trained up in SWAT style activities? A high proportion of police officers I've seen don't look like they could run - either towards or away from a shooter ...
#730
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Re: Florida shooting
If he was in the Armed Forces, yes.
#731
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Re: Florida shooting
Let's see what we have so far from the antis:
[x] Name calling, ridiculing, ad hominem attacks.
[x] NRA is some evil money making organization, not a popular organization of 5 million individuals
[x] Allusion to penis size/compensation.
[x] Demands to compromise/common sense/reasonableness. What are you compromising with? How about national reciprocity.
[x] Appeals to emotion.
[x] Name calling, ridiculing, ad hominem attacks.
[x] NRA is some evil money making organization, not a popular organization of 5 million individuals
[x] Allusion to penis size/compensation.
[x] Demands to compromise/common sense/reasonableness. What are you compromising with? How about national reciprocity.
[x] Appeals to emotion.
#732
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Joined: Oct 2005
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Re: Florida shooting
If it isn't obvious by now that Trump is a bigot leading a party of bigots, then I'm not sure what it's going to take. Do they have to fire up the ovens before we are allowed to complain about it?
As for the security guy, he is there to be a deterrent, not to make his wife into a widow. A cop in such a circumstance would call for backup.
#733
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Re: Florida shooting
Anyway, the fact that there was an armed, trained police office on site and he was effectively powerless against the shooter should make it pretty clear that throwing more guns at the problem, and putting them in the hands of untrained civilians who also happen to be underpaid, overstressed teachers and expect them to potentially point their gun at a child and put two in the chest and one in the head is just pure lunacy. That's before you even get to the fact that even trained marksmen are not 100% accurate with a pistol.
#734
Re: Florida shooting
There was an armed police officer (off duty) working at the Pulse nightclub. He did engage with the shooter and he had to withdraw and wait for backup because he was so drastically outgunned.
I don't understand how we can expect the police to rely less on military grade weapons (as expressed earlier in the thread) when clearly it takes more than a "good guy with a gun" to stop a bad guy with a gun ... It takes a SWAT team with a bearcat.
I don't understand how we can expect the police to rely less on military grade weapons (as expressed earlier in the thread) when clearly it takes more than a "good guy with a gun" to stop a bad guy with a gun ... It takes a SWAT team with a bearcat.
#735
Re: Florida shooting
Based on LaPierre's unhinged rhetoric yesterday, the only thing I can surmise is that the NRA must be heartbroken that Obama is gone. For 8 years they had him as their boogeyman and gun sales went through the roof. Having somebody like Trump in office must be so scary for them.