Fitness...do you?

Thread Tools
 
Old Nov 28th 2019, 7:30 am
  #526  
Quien no sabe
 
Chatter Static's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 3,989
Chatter Static has a reputation beyond reputeChatter Static has a reputation beyond reputeChatter Static has a reputation beyond reputeChatter Static has a reputation beyond reputeChatter Static has a reputation beyond reputeChatter Static has a reputation beyond reputeChatter Static has a reputation beyond reputeChatter Static has a reputation beyond reputeChatter Static has a reputation beyond reputeChatter Static has a reputation beyond reputeChatter Static has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Fitness...do you?

Originally Posted by KJMW
With all due respect exercise isn't really the answer to permanent weight loss. It helps of course and the health benefits are incalculable. I have been involved with fitness and nutrition most of my working life and unquestionably the best way is to simply, and slowly, reduce the amount of food you put in your mouth!!! Instead of four biscuits eat two, cut back on the bolognas when having spaghetti, that sort of thing.

When you consider that you would have to run 30 miles to lose a pound of fat (3500) it just isn't worth while trying! Not that your body uses just fat calories anyway. Because of the way it does burn energy you would have to run, probably 50 miles, all without replacing the energy!!! A very tall order. Slowly slowly, cachee monkey! Get it off very slowly no more than a kilo a week and it will stay off; with a little discipline of course!
If you read further back up the posts you would see I'm completely aware of that having lost a third of my body weight doing just that.

It pays to read more of the thread before jumping in you should probably read Ray's guide to the site ; - )
Chatter Static is offline  
Old Nov 28th 2019, 7:39 am
  #527  
Banned
 
Joined: Nov 2019
Location: St Pée sur Nivelle
Posts: 992
KJMW has a reputation beyond reputeKJMW has a reputation beyond reputeKJMW has a reputation beyond reputeKJMW has a reputation beyond reputeKJMW has a reputation beyond reputeKJMW has a reputation beyond reputeKJMW has a reputation beyond reputeKJMW has a reputation beyond reputeKJMW has a reputation beyond reputeKJMW has a reputation beyond reputeKJMW has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Fitness...do you?

Originally Posted by Chatter Static
If you read further back up the posts you would see I'm completely aware of that having lost a third of my body weight doing just that.

It pays to read more of the thread before jumping in you should probably read Ray's guide to the site ; - )
If I have offended you then I apologise. I was just trying to help. Absolutely no need to be aggressive.
KJMW is offline  
Old Nov 28th 2019, 10:17 am
  #528  
Quien no sabe
 
Chatter Static's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 3,989
Chatter Static has a reputation beyond reputeChatter Static has a reputation beyond reputeChatter Static has a reputation beyond reputeChatter Static has a reputation beyond reputeChatter Static has a reputation beyond reputeChatter Static has a reputation beyond reputeChatter Static has a reputation beyond reputeChatter Static has a reputation beyond reputeChatter Static has a reputation beyond reputeChatter Static has a reputation beyond reputeChatter Static has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Fitness...do you?

Originally Posted by KJMW
Absolutely no need to be aggressive.
Umm Im not.....
Chatter Static is offline  
Old Nov 30th 2019, 10:25 am
  #529  
BE Forum Addict
 
Tweedpipe's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Location: Halfway between Ricard & Absynthe
Posts: 4,291
Tweedpipe has a reputation beyond reputeTweedpipe has a reputation beyond reputeTweedpipe has a reputation beyond reputeTweedpipe has a reputation beyond reputeTweedpipe has a reputation beyond reputeTweedpipe has a reputation beyond reputeTweedpipe has a reputation beyond reputeTweedpipe has a reputation beyond reputeTweedpipe has a reputation beyond reputeTweedpipe has a reputation beyond reputeTweedpipe has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Fitness...do you?

Originally Posted by KJMW
With all due respect exercise isn't really the answer to permanent weight loss. It helps of course and the health benefits are incalculable. I have been involved with fitness and nutrition most of my working life and unquestionably the best way is to simply, and slowly, reduce the amount of food you put in your mouth!!! Instead of four biscuits eat two, cut back on the bolognas when having spaghetti, that sort of thing.

When you consider that you would have to run 30 miles to lose a pound of fat (3500) it just isn't worth while trying! Not that your body uses just fat calories anyway. Because of the way it does burn energy you would have to run, probably 50 miles, all without replacing the energy!!! A very tall order. Slowly slowly, cachee monkey! Get it off very slowly no more than a kilo a week and it will stay off; with a little discipline of course!
Well from what you say, I was born before you, have a very healthy philosophy of avoiding running and strenuous exercise at all costs, and instead of eating one biscuit, enjoy eating two, occasionally three. Seriously!
I'm certainly no gargantuan eater, but I don't consciously "reduce the amount of food" I put in my mouth either. What does go in I thoroughly enjoy.
I love my food, even more so after coming to France years ago, and having a French wife who cooks healthily and divinely I guess must help. Rarely drink beer, never drink spirits, but...... love red wine, have an excellent cellar, but drink very moderately i.e. max 2 bottles/week between the two of us. The little lady likes white wine, I don't and never drink it. If she opens a white, I'll open a red, still keeping within our normal 2 bottles/week, which I hasten to add is a general rule - occasionally broken.......
At school I detested cross-country running, something we were chain-ganged into every other week. Years later on a company-sponsored seminar in East-Hartford Connecticut, some wag came up with the 'brilliant' idea of a team early-morning run of a few miles before breakfast. I hated it, but loved the breakfast aftermath (the healthy choices of course) leaving the waffles and treacly items for the others.
Eat well and healthily, drink in moderation, avoid strenuous exercise, and have an annual medical appears to work well for myself.
Being fairly well-built, and apparently having the correct weight/height ratio, the only form of exercise I enjoy is a fast, brisk walk with the dog twice a day which keeps me fighting fit - or maybe it's this forum. Or more probably the red wine.......
Tweedpipe is offline  
Old Nov 30th 2019, 11:00 am
  #530  
Banned
 
Joined: Nov 2019
Location: St Pée sur Nivelle
Posts: 992
KJMW has a reputation beyond reputeKJMW has a reputation beyond reputeKJMW has a reputation beyond reputeKJMW has a reputation beyond reputeKJMW has a reputation beyond reputeKJMW has a reputation beyond reputeKJMW has a reputation beyond reputeKJMW has a reputation beyond reputeKJMW has a reputation beyond reputeKJMW has a reputation beyond reputeKJMW has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Fitness...do you?

Originally Posted by Tweedpipe
Well from what you say, I was born before you, have a very healthy philosophy of avoiding running and strenuous exercise at all costs, and instead of eating one biscuit, enjoy eating two, occasionally three. Seriously!
I'm certainly no gargantuan eater, but I don't consciously "reduce the amount of food" I put in my mouth either. What does go in I thoroughly enjoy.
I love my food, even more so after coming to France years ago, and having a French wife who cooks healthily and divinely I guess must help. Rarely drink beer, never drink spirits, but...... love red wine, have an excellent cellar, but drink very moderately i.e. max 2 bottles/week between the two of us. The little lady likes white wine, I don't and never drink it. If she opens a white, I'll open a red, still keeping within our normal 2 bottles/week, which I hasten to add is a general rule - occasionally broken.......
At school I detested cross-country running, something we were chain-ganged into every other week. Years later on a company-sponsored seminar in East-Hartford Connecticut, some wag came up with the 'brilliant' idea of a team early-morning run of a few miles before breakfast. I hated it, but loved the breakfast aftermath (the healthy choices of course) leaving the waffles and treacly items for the others.
Eat well and healthily, drink in moderation, avoid strenuous exercise, and have an annual medical appears to work well for myself.
Being fairly well-built, and apparently having the correct weight/height ratio, the only form of exercise I enjoy is a fast, brisk walk with the dog twice a day which keeps me fighting fit - or maybe it's this forum. Or more probably the red wine.......
I have no idea who is the 'elder' I shall be 73 next month if that helps. I'm sorry if my post sounded as if I was preaching, I wasn't I can assure you. My post was in the vain hope of helping someone lose weight but it was rather rudely rejected, not a problem. It was not in anyway a criticism of people's life style. You are obviously very content with your lifestyle and it's certainly not for me approve or otherwise.
As I compete in triathlon and long distance open water swimming being of a body composition suitable for these sports is obviously important. Every kilo has to be carried! If I may be so bold as to say your regime sounds very comfortable and as long as your happy so long may it continue. It's not for me, I would probably wear out the dog!!!!
KJMW is offline  
Old Dec 10th 2019, 8:48 pm
  #531  
Bob
BE Site Lead
 
Bob's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Location: MA, USA
Posts: 92,170
Bob has a reputation beyond reputeBob has a reputation beyond reputeBob has a reputation beyond reputeBob has a reputation beyond reputeBob has a reputation beyond reputeBob has a reputation beyond reputeBob has a reputation beyond reputeBob has a reputation beyond reputeBob has a reputation beyond reputeBob has a reputation beyond reputeBob has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Fitness...do you?

Anyone had much luck with a chiropractor and hip/shoulder pain?
Bob is offline  
Old Dec 10th 2019, 9:00 pm
  #532  
Austin. TX.
 
petitefrancaise's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 5,930
petitefrancaise has a reputation beyond reputepetitefrancaise has a reputation beyond reputepetitefrancaise has a reputation beyond reputepetitefrancaise has a reputation beyond reputepetitefrancaise has a reputation beyond reputepetitefrancaise has a reputation beyond reputepetitefrancaise has a reputation beyond reputepetitefrancaise has a reputation beyond reputepetitefrancaise has a reputation beyond reputepetitefrancaise has a reputation beyond reputepetitefrancaise has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Fitness...do you?

Originally Posted by Bob
Anyone had much luck with a chiropractor and hip/shoulder pain?
Yes....but I go to a sports chiropractor that specialises in sports injuries .
My guy correctly diagnosed torn rotator cuff that needed surgery when 2 gps and an orthopedic surgeon just gave me painkillers and steroids. Knee pain that was IT band related after a week of skiing. His usual prescription is strengthening exercises to address imbalance. works for me
petitefrancaise is offline  
Old Dec 10th 2019, 9:52 pm
  #533  
Powder Maggot
 
AdobePinon's Avatar
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Location: Nuevo Mexico
Posts: 4,452
AdobePinon has a reputation beyond reputeAdobePinon has a reputation beyond reputeAdobePinon has a reputation beyond reputeAdobePinon has a reputation beyond reputeAdobePinon has a reputation beyond reputeAdobePinon has a reputation beyond reputeAdobePinon has a reputation beyond reputeAdobePinon has a reputation beyond reputeAdobePinon has a reputation beyond reputeAdobePinon has a reputation beyond reputeAdobePinon has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Fitness...do you?

Originally Posted by petitefrancaise
Yes....but I go to a sports chiropractor that specialises in sports injuries .
My guy correctly diagnosed torn rotator cuff that needed surgery when 2 gps and an orthopedic surgeon just gave me painkillers and steroids. Knee pain that was IT band related after a week of skiing. His usual prescription is strengthening exercises to address imbalance. works for me
Yeah, being sent home with painkillers is a red flag. Those who serve the sports and athletic communities have a surprising number of effective tools that more mainstream medical professionals don’t seem to know about. Their clientele typically has a strong expectation of a positive outcome and are not so easily fobbed off.
AdobePinon is offline  
Old Dec 11th 2019, 4:45 am
  #534  
Banned
 
Joined: Nov 2019
Location: St Pée sur Nivelle
Posts: 992
KJMW has a reputation beyond reputeKJMW has a reputation beyond reputeKJMW has a reputation beyond reputeKJMW has a reputation beyond reputeKJMW has a reputation beyond reputeKJMW has a reputation beyond reputeKJMW has a reputation beyond reputeKJMW has a reputation beyond reputeKJMW has a reputation beyond reputeKJMW has a reputation beyond reputeKJMW has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Fitness...do you?

Originally Posted by Bob
Anyone had much luck with a chiropractor and hip/shoulder pain?
Back pain is almost a constant companion. I first 'slipped a disc' at 18 years of age (I'm 73 now) Quite a few injuries followed, sport and work being the cause. I tried all the. usual avenues over the years Chiropractors, phsio etc and quite honestly thought they were a bunch of charlatans. I have found that exercise is the key to managing pain. I compete in triathlons and find that with the right approach to exercise back pain (in my case) is very well managed. The 'quacks' may work for some but I bet people who use them have to be constantly treated. That doesn't sound like a cure to me. Still, if people feel they benefit; why not; it's their money.
KJMW is offline  
Old Dec 11th 2019, 6:53 pm
  #535  
Austin. TX.
 
petitefrancaise's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 5,930
petitefrancaise has a reputation beyond reputepetitefrancaise has a reputation beyond reputepetitefrancaise has a reputation beyond reputepetitefrancaise has a reputation beyond reputepetitefrancaise has a reputation beyond reputepetitefrancaise has a reputation beyond reputepetitefrancaise has a reputation beyond reputepetitefrancaise has a reputation beyond reputepetitefrancaise has a reputation beyond reputepetitefrancaise has a reputation beyond reputepetitefrancaise has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Fitness...do you?

Originally Posted by AdobePinon

Yeah, being sent home with painkillers is a red flag. Those who serve the sports and athletic communities have a surprising number of effective tools that more mainstream medical professionals don’t seem to know about. Their clientele typically has a strong expectation of a positive outcome and are not so easily fobbed off.
I'm a rower in a really good club that has US national team + Olympic rowers. We are all very careful to avoid injuries - particularly over-training ones. One of the top level rowers is a chiropractor who gives us excellent advice regarding posture and exercises to address particular issues. As my rowing has progressed, little body quirks have been addressed to improve my technique/speed/strength. The latest is my shoulder height. Years of carrying a school satchel and then a handbag on my left shoulder has left me a little lopsided which ordinarily I suppose I wouldn't even notice but it is affecting my rowing stroke a little.... so exercises for that!
Back injuries??? Strong abs. Do your situps/crunches/sidetoside crunches and engage your abs when lifting, sitting/standing. A few of my fellow rowers do yoga to ease out muscles.
Weight loss/gain is so multi-faceted. I used to be in the camp of eat less/move more but had to eat my own words in the last few years as that failed to help at all with what seemed to be an unstoppable/slow weight gain. HRT helped ( sleeping better) but my thyroid had slowly been packing up and now I take thyroxin and I feel like the old me. Weight has dropped off.
I also eat intermittent fasting 6:18 and when I row in the mornings I do it in a fasted state (no breakfast).
petitefrancaise is offline  
Old Dec 11th 2019, 9:02 pm
  #536  
Bob
BE Site Lead
 
Bob's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Location: MA, USA
Posts: 92,170
Bob has a reputation beyond reputeBob has a reputation beyond reputeBob has a reputation beyond reputeBob has a reputation beyond reputeBob has a reputation beyond reputeBob has a reputation beyond reputeBob has a reputation beyond reputeBob has a reputation beyond reputeBob has a reputation beyond reputeBob has a reputation beyond reputeBob has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Fitness...do you?

Originally Posted by petitefrancaise
I'm a rower in a really good club that has US national team + Olympic rowers. We are all very careful to avoid injuries - particularly over-training o...
Similar, but curling.

It's the a-symmetrical nature that's the beast in this one though.
Bob is offline  
Old Dec 12th 2019, 1:54 pm
  #537  
Powder Maggot
 
AdobePinon's Avatar
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Location: Nuevo Mexico
Posts: 4,452
AdobePinon has a reputation beyond reputeAdobePinon has a reputation beyond reputeAdobePinon has a reputation beyond reputeAdobePinon has a reputation beyond reputeAdobePinon has a reputation beyond reputeAdobePinon has a reputation beyond reputeAdobePinon has a reputation beyond reputeAdobePinon has a reputation beyond reputeAdobePinon has a reputation beyond reputeAdobePinon has a reputation beyond reputeAdobePinon has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Fitness...do you?

Originally Posted by petitefrancaise
I'm a rower in a really good club that has US national team + Olympic rowers. We are all very careful to avoid injuries - particularly over-training ones. One of the top level rowers is a chiropractor who gives us excellent advice regarding posture and exercises to address particular issues. As my rowing has progressed, little body quirks have been addressed to improve my technique/speed/strength.
Cool. I have an indoor rower at home. I have about 100 days in hotels this year and that rower is the thing that keeps my exercise grounded. I keep monthly targets on the rower while everything else happens when it happens. I’ve found it to be a great exercise for maintaining a basic level of fitness. I’ve also noticed that a few km on the rower will also often help ‘set my body right’ many times after some minor injury or soreness on some other exercise.
Originally Posted by petitefrancaise
Back injuries??? Strong abs. Do your situps/crunches/sidetoside crunches and engage your abs when lifting, sitting/standing. A few of my fellow rowers do yoga to ease out muscles.
Yep. I used to have some back pain here and there. Pretty much went away as soon as I started going to the gym on a regular basis. My gym has a free yin yoga class that helps a lot with the muscle release. I also took two excruciatingly difficult one-off yoga classes this summer that fixed a whole bunch of long standing problems. I had no idea what I’d signed up for. They left me so drained I could hardly walk at the end. But the next morning everything that had been wrong with my hips had just disappeared and hasn’t come back.
Originally Posted by petitefrancaise
Weight loss/gain is so multi-faceted. I used to be in the camp of eat less/move more but had to eat my own words in the last few years as that failed to help at all with what seemed to be an unstoppable/slow weight gain.
You’re right. The eat less/move more/calorie deficit is a good starting point, a transition to something better. But calories are not equal between foods or people. I’ve watched quite a few folks get startling results by counting macros, but it requires a very high level of commitment and fine tuning of the numbers to maintain progress. Then there are other potential issues as you mention.
AdobePinon is offline  
Old Dec 12th 2019, 11:42 pm
  #538  
Sasstronaut
 
livinginnyc's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2016
Location: Manhattan, NYC
Posts: 1,304
livinginnyc has a reputation beyond reputelivinginnyc has a reputation beyond reputelivinginnyc has a reputation beyond reputelivinginnyc has a reputation beyond reputelivinginnyc has a reputation beyond reputelivinginnyc has a reputation beyond reputelivinginnyc has a reputation beyond reputelivinginnyc has a reputation beyond reputelivinginnyc has a reputation beyond reputelivinginnyc has a reputation beyond reputelivinginnyc has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Fitness...do you?

Originally Posted by AdobePinon
You’re right. The eat less/move more/calorie deficit is a good starting point, a transition to something better. But calories are not equal between foods or people. I’ve watched quite a few folks get startling results by counting macros, but it requires a very high level of commitment and fine tuning of the numbers to maintain progress. Then there are other potential issues as you mention.
^^ This. Different body types/people respond to different ways to lose weight, there really isn't a 'catch all'... external influences like stress also affect this stuff. Age is also a big part.
It's so disheartening to see so many commercials/gym 'deals' that offer 10lbs off or your money back; knowing full well that part is easy - its getting past that initial plateau that's hard.

I've always been on the skinny side, but work out as I eat crap (especially when traveling/late work nights also Sweetgreen & byChloe is expensive) and it took a while for me to figure out that an hour of watching whatever on Hulu + not going overboard on an elliptical 2-3 times a week was enough to maintain my weight/body type. I've seen other things like swimming works better for other friends, and I know one girl that goes literally insane on a treadmill for 30 minutes 5 days a week works for her. I personally can't stand a treadmill, it gives me back ache after about 15 minutes.
livinginnyc is offline  
Old Dec 13th 2019, 1:37 pm
  #539  
I have a comma problem
 
SultanOfSwing's Avatar
 
Joined: Feb 2009
Location: Fox Lake, IL (from Carrickfergus NI)
Posts: 49,598
SultanOfSwing has a reputation beyond reputeSultanOfSwing has a reputation beyond reputeSultanOfSwing has a reputation beyond reputeSultanOfSwing has a reputation beyond reputeSultanOfSwing has a reputation beyond reputeSultanOfSwing has a reputation beyond reputeSultanOfSwing has a reputation beyond reputeSultanOfSwing has a reputation beyond reputeSultanOfSwing has a reputation beyond reputeSultanOfSwing has a reputation beyond reputeSultanOfSwing has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Fitness...do you?

Right, I need you mofos to give me a kick up the arse. Other than football once a week (and not every week so it isn't even a great excuse), I haven't done any proper exercise since I think February, I've put everything I lost over the last 2.5 years back on again with change and Christmas beckons with its lovely, lovely food and I will be treating the 24th and 25th as cheat days. But I need to do something before I end up having a bloody heart attack or something.

So please feel free to verbally abuse me at every opportunity when I don't keep my calories down or do some kind of exercise. Starting Sunday at least, I mean be reasonable ...
SultanOfSwing is offline  
Old Dec 13th 2019, 11:34 pm
  #540  
Bob
BE Site Lead
 
Bob's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Location: MA, USA
Posts: 92,170
Bob has a reputation beyond reputeBob has a reputation beyond reputeBob has a reputation beyond reputeBob has a reputation beyond reputeBob has a reputation beyond reputeBob has a reputation beyond reputeBob has a reputation beyond reputeBob has a reputation beyond reputeBob has a reputation beyond reputeBob has a reputation beyond reputeBob has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Fitness...do you?

Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing

So please feel free to verbally abuse me at every opportunity..
We shouldn't need any excuses for that
Bob is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.