First Lady, your thoughts?
Nov 12th 2016, 5:22 am
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Re: First Lady, your thoughts?
I'm back to add something else.
I've read that she looks to be a 'traditional first lady' in the manner of Jacky Kennedy . All silent but wheedling behind the scenes like some lady from the 19th century. All about the cakes and the mothers and the children.
Lets face it the Kennedy's were flaming well a good half century ago. Who wants to go back in time like that. Who should want women to go back in time like that .
I really do not think that young women and girls growing up need that as a role model. They need a strong woman to show them they are equal . That they are entitled to have their voices heard. That they aspire to more than a place beside some man. That their bodies are their own. That it doesn't matter their creed or colour . Their dress or demeanour . That they count.
That is something she certainly needs to be working on. I really hope she does.
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I've read that she looks to be a 'traditional first lady' in the manner of Jacky Kennedy . All silent but wheedling behind the scenes like some lady from the 19th century. All about the cakes and the mothers and the children.
Lets face it the Kennedy's were flaming well a good half century ago. Who wants to go back in time like that. Who should want women to go back in time like that .
I really do not think that young women and girls growing up need that as a role model. They need a strong woman to show them they are equal . That they are entitled to have their voices heard. That they aspire to more than a place beside some man. That their bodies are their own. That it doesn't matter their creed or colour . Their dress or demeanour . That they count.
That is something she certainly needs to be working on. I really hope she does.
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Nov 12th 2016, 11:41 am
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Re: First Lady, your thoughts?
My feelings about this woman are mixed. I knew a young woman like this once. She was my sister's friend and set her sights on marrying a millionaire. She did achieve this. Someone 13 years older than herself at the local yacht club a lot of us frequented. I did because I liked to sail a bit and the only way was to crew.
My sister's friend was and is an intelligent person in her own right but she undoubtedly used her assets to do this and indeed succeeded. ( She wasn't into sailing ) I always felt she had sold herself short or taken a shortcut. Not just that though. That she had somehow silently sent a not so good message about the rest of us young women crewing around the place at that time. I lost the taste for being there in the end.
My thoughts on Melania are that she needs to shape up . Shape up good and shape up fast. Not sit , act & sound like a pudding .
IMO her 'cause' should be ensuring diversity, tolerance and understanding in the USA and championing the settling of immigrants to the country. Please note I have not written 'illegal immigrants' but she should certainly get up to speed on that fast & educate herself. She should get right on in there with Syrian refugees . Right on in there with the exploited. Simply right on in there.
She is an immigrant herself , regardless of how she achieved her legal status* , and English is not her first language. She was able to use her looks and body to further herself. Yup. I wrote that. I really don't think it was a meeting of the mind and soul. Not everyone is able to do as she has done but those people out there in the world with the verve to move and change their lives for hopefully a better life still deserve the same security and protection that her celebrity marriage has given her.
So. Her role should be an unofficial ambassador. As a foreign non-English speaking immigrant from a very culturally different country (and whose immigration status is under the microscope) with her focus to help those self same people.
That pair said they wanted change. Make a positive change.
Anything else is vacuous & in the case of internet bullying, double standards.
* To my knowledge BE never condones anything that whiffs of illegal immy actions, including non-disclosure and bending of immy rules.
My sister's friend was and is an intelligent person in her own right but she undoubtedly used her assets to do this and indeed succeeded. ( She wasn't into sailing ) I always felt she had sold herself short or taken a shortcut. Not just that though. That she had somehow silently sent a not so good message about the rest of us young women crewing around the place at that time. I lost the taste for being there in the end.
My thoughts on Melania are that she needs to shape up . Shape up good and shape up fast. Not sit , act & sound like a pudding .
IMO her 'cause' should be ensuring diversity, tolerance and understanding in the USA and championing the settling of immigrants to the country. Please note I have not written 'illegal immigrants' but she should certainly get up to speed on that fast & educate herself. She should get right on in there with Syrian refugees . Right on in there with the exploited. Simply right on in there.
She is an immigrant herself , regardless of how she achieved her legal status* , and English is not her first language. She was able to use her looks and body to further herself. Yup. I wrote that. I really don't think it was a meeting of the mind and soul. Not everyone is able to do as she has done but those people out there in the world with the verve to move and change their lives for hopefully a better life still deserve the same security and protection that her celebrity marriage has given her.
So. Her role should be an unofficial ambassador. As a foreign non-English speaking immigrant from a very culturally different country (and whose immigration status is under the microscope) with her focus to help those self same people.
That pair said they wanted change. Make a positive change.
Anything else is vacuous & in the case of internet bullying, double standards.
* To my knowledge BE never condones anything that whiffs of illegal immy actions, including non-disclosure and bending of immy rules.
I'm back to add something else.
I've read that she looks to be a 'traditional first lady' in the manner of Jacky Kennedy . All silent but wheedling behind the scenes like some lady from the 19th century. All about the cakes and the mothers and the children.
Lets face it the Kennedy's were flaming well a good half century ago. Who wants to go back in time like that. Who should want women to go back in time like that .
I really do not think that young women and girls growing up need that as a role model. They need a strong woman to show them they are equal . That they are entitled to have their voices heard. That they aspire to more than a place beside some man. That their bodies are their own. That it doesn't matter their creed or colour . Their dress or demeanour . That they count.
That is something she certainly needs to be working on. I really hope she does.
OK -
I've read that she looks to be a 'traditional first lady' in the manner of Jacky Kennedy . All silent but wheedling behind the scenes like some lady from the 19th century. All about the cakes and the mothers and the children.
Lets face it the Kennedy's were flaming well a good half century ago. Who wants to go back in time like that. Who should want women to go back in time like that .
I really do not think that young women and girls growing up need that as a role model. They need a strong woman to show them they are equal . That they are entitled to have their voices heard. That they aspire to more than a place beside some man. That their bodies are their own. That it doesn't matter their creed or colour . Their dress or demeanour . That they count.
That is something she certainly needs to be working on. I really hope she does.
OK -
For those people who voted for Trump, I hope you have no young women in your lives. Because you just severely limited their chances in life and (literally) put their pussies up for grabs.
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Nov 12th 2016, 12:02 pm
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Re: First Lady, your thoughts?
Remind me What does a first lady or first man actually do?
Do they get a salary?
Can they refuse to do some of the shit they are expected to do?
What would happen if they got divorced half way through his 4 yr term could he go out and get another 1st lady?
Why do they need a 1st lady/man? By virtue of being married to the President they automatically get the job isn't that a bit unfair. Perhaps they should advertise the job or hold a referendum to see who should get the job if one is required.
Has there ever been a single President and if not why not as isn't that discriminating against single people?
Are they allowed to use Air Force One or Marine One for a shopping trip under the guise of 1st lady/man duties?
Now with her own staff she won't have to make Donald a grilled cheese sandwich.
Do they get a salary?
Can they refuse to do some of the shit they are expected to do?
What would happen if they got divorced half way through his 4 yr term could he go out and get another 1st lady?
Why do they need a 1st lady/man? By virtue of being married to the President they automatically get the job isn't that a bit unfair. Perhaps they should advertise the job or hold a referendum to see who should get the job if one is required.
Has there ever been a single President and if not why not as isn't that discriminating against single people?
Are they allowed to use Air Force One or Marine One for a shopping trip under the guise of 1st lady/man duties?
Now with her own staff she won't have to make Donald a grilled cheese sandwich.
Nov 12th 2016, 12:09 pm
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Re: First Lady, your thoughts?
He just put Mike Pence in charge of his transition team. Melania Trump is in charge of nothing. I look for anti-LBGT sentiment as well as legislation to go through the roof.
Nov 12th 2016, 12:46 pm
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Re: First Lady, your thoughts?
You can't trust anything these days. She's no Bouvier. Obviously all the cronies are flawed, or Trump wouldn't have been the nominee. I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop and Rush Limbaugh to step through the curtains.
Nov 12th 2016, 1:22 pm
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Re: First Lady, your thoughts?
You mean the nude girl-girl photo shoot was insincere? You can't trust anything these days. She's no Bouvier. Obviously all the cronies are flawed, or Trump wouldn't have been the nominee. I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop and Rush Limbaugh to step through the curtains.
You can't trust anything these days. She's no Bouvier. Obviously all the cronies are flawed, or Trump wouldn't have been the nominee. I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop and Rush Limbaugh to step through the curtains.At this point Limbaugh wouldn't be remotely surprising. Trump already hired somebody much worse to run his campaign and is now floating that same somebody as his potential White House chief of staff.
Nov 12th 2016, 2:02 pm
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Re: First Lady, your thoughts?
Living in Texas we are constantly reminded of the Ladybird Johnson beautification project. Texas in the springtime with the beautiful wildflowers is amazing.
A lot of First Ladies have long term legacies.
A lot of First Ladies have long term legacies.
Nov 12th 2016, 3:24 pm
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Re: First Lady, your thoughts?
Her use of MIchelle Obama's words in her speech at the Convention was a curious (though chuckle-inducing) show of discernment, but whether those passages were cribbed by Melania herself or one of Trump's speech-writers is not clear. (All of Trump's toadies scrambled to disassociate themselves from that fiasco, & no one was named or fired....)
Nov 12th 2016, 3:48 pm
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Nov 12th 2016, 3:49 pm
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Re: First Lady, your thoughts?
My feelings about this woman are mixed. I knew a young woman like this once. She was my sister's friend and set her sights on marrying a millionaire. She did achieve this. Someone 13 years older than herself at the local yacht club a lot of us frequented. I did because I liked to sail a bit and the only way was to crew.
My sister's friend was and is an intelligent person in her own right but she undoubtedly used her assets to do this and indeed succeeded. ( She wasn't into sailing ) I always felt she had sold herself short or taken a shortcut. Not just that though. That she had somehow silently sent a not so good message about the rest of us young women crewing around the place at that time. I lost the taste for being there in the end.
My thoughts on Melania are that she needs to shape up . Shape up good and shape up fast. Not sit , act & sound like a pudding .
IMO her 'cause' should be ensuring diversity, tolerance and understanding in the USA and championing the settling of immigrants to the country. Please note I have not written 'illegal immigrants' but she should certainly get up to speed on that fast & educate herself. She should get right on in there with Syrian refugees . Right on in there with the exploited. Simply right on in there.
She is an immigrant herself , regardless of how she achieved her legal status* , and English is not her first language. She was able to use her looks and body to further herself. Yup. I wrote that. I really don't think it was a meeting of the mind and soul. Not everyone is able to do as she has done but those people out there in the world with the verve to move and change their lives for hopefully a better life still deserve the same security and protection that her celebrity marriage has given her.
So. Her role should be an unofficial ambassador. As a foreign non-English speaking immigrant from a very culturally different country (and whose immigration status is under the microscope) with her focus to help those self same people.
That pair said they wanted change. Make a positive change.
Anything else is vacuous & in the case of internet bullying, double standards.
* To my knowledge BE never condones anything that whiffs of illegal immy actions, including non-disclosure and bending of immy rules.
My sister's friend was and is an intelligent person in her own right but she undoubtedly used her assets to do this and indeed succeeded. ( She wasn't into sailing ) I always felt she had sold herself short or taken a shortcut. Not just that though. That she had somehow silently sent a not so good message about the rest of us young women crewing around the place at that time. I lost the taste for being there in the end.
My thoughts on Melania are that she needs to shape up . Shape up good and shape up fast. Not sit , act & sound like a pudding .
IMO her 'cause' should be ensuring diversity, tolerance and understanding in the USA and championing the settling of immigrants to the country. Please note I have not written 'illegal immigrants' but she should certainly get up to speed on that fast & educate herself. She should get right on in there with Syrian refugees . Right on in there with the exploited. Simply right on in there.
She is an immigrant herself , regardless of how she achieved her legal status* , and English is not her first language. She was able to use her looks and body to further herself. Yup. I wrote that. I really don't think it was a meeting of the mind and soul. Not everyone is able to do as she has done but those people out there in the world with the verve to move and change their lives for hopefully a better life still deserve the same security and protection that her celebrity marriage has given her.
So. Her role should be an unofficial ambassador. As a foreign non-English speaking immigrant from a very culturally different country (and whose immigration status is under the microscope) with her focus to help those self same people.
That pair said they wanted change. Make a positive change.
Anything else is vacuous & in the case of internet bullying, double standards.
* To my knowledge BE never condones anything that whiffs of illegal immy actions, including non-disclosure and bending of immy rules.
Nov 12th 2016, 4:32 pm
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Re: First Lady, your thoughts?
Lets face it the Kennedy's were flaming well a good half century ago. Who wants to go back in time like that. Who should want women to go back in time like that .
I really do not think that young women and girls growing up need that as a role model. They need a strong woman to show them they are equal . That they are entitled to have their voices heard. That they aspire to more than a place beside some man. That their bodies are their own. That it doesn't matter their creed or colour . Their dress or demeanour . That they count.
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I really do not think that young women and girls growing up need that as a role model. They need a strong woman to show them they are equal . That they are entitled to have their voices heard. That they aspire to more than a place beside some man. That their bodies are their own. That it doesn't matter their creed or colour . Their dress or demeanour . That they count.
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I'm still disgusted.....
