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DNA Testing
Mrs L gave me a kit for Christmas to find out where I came from. There are a few who could have told her that without money being spent.
Anyway I'm:- 73% English and Welsh 15% Scots and Irish 9% Germanic 3% Norwegian So 88% British, not bad really. |
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Which company did you use?
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Ancestry as my wife have been researching the family tree through them.
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Can you do it anonymously?
Ancestry.com is part of the Mormon mission to catalogue everybody. Just don't want my DNA shared with LEO or insurance companies, which these companies do. |
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Originally Posted by Octang Frye
(Post 12644420)
Can you do it anonymously?
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We had ours done last September with myheritage.com...great fun.
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Originally Posted by Octang Frye
(Post 12644420)
Can you do it anonymously?
Ancestry.com is part of the Mormon mission to catalogue everybody. Just don't want my DNA shared with LEO or insurance companies, which these companies do. Ancestry’s spokesperson offered these assurances: “We do not and will not sell DNA data to insurers, employers, health providers or third-party marketers and will only share DNA data with researchers if the customer has consented. |
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That's how they got those killers recently. I want to be under the radar.
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Originally Posted by Octang Frye
(Post 12644560)
That's how they got those killers recently. I want to be under the radar.
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Ancestry.com is part of the Mormon mission to catalogue everybody. Just don't want my DNA shared with LEO or insurance companies, which these companies do. |
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Originally Posted by civilservant
(Post 12644805)
Will be skipping this then...
Ancestry’s spokesperson offered these assurances: “We do not and will not sell DNA data to insurers, employers, health providers or third-party marketers and will only share DNA data with researchers if the customer has consented. Law Enforcement Requests Outside the United States: Depending on the jurisdiction of the requesting law enforcement agency, a Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty request or letter rogatory may be required to compel the disclosure of records. This is because our users’ account data can only be accessed by Ancestry.com Operations Inc. (located in the United States) and Ancestry Ireland Unlimited Company (located in Ireland). International law enforcement authorities may also submit requests for emergency disclosure. We will provide responsive records in accordance with applicable law and our policies. Law Enforcement Requests in the United States: Ancestry will release basic subscriber information as defined in 18 USC § 2703(c)(2) about Ancestry users to law enforcement only in response to a valid trial, grand jury or administrative subpoena. Ancestry will release additional account information or transactional information pertaining to an account (such as search terms, but not including the contents of communications) only in response to a court order issued pursuant to 18 USC § 2703(d). Contents of communications and any data relating to the DNA of an Ancestry user will be released only pursuant to a valid search warrant from a government agency with proper jurisdiction. If we receive a valid request under U.S. law to preserve records that constitute potentially relevant evidence in legal proceedings, we will preserve, but not disclose, a temporary snapshot of the relevant account records for 90 days pending service of valid legal process as described above |
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Originally Posted by lansbury
(Post 12644414)
Ancestry as my wife have been researching the family tree through them.
From time to time they offer a 'free weekend', so I gave it a try a couple of years ago, it didn't give any hits on either parent... Obviously I wasn't going to sign up given that non-result. |
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Originally Posted by BuckinghamshireBoy
(Post 12646021)
Howdy, did your wife have any success on the family tree research with Ancestry?
From time to time they offer a 'free weekend', so I gave it a try a couple of years ago, it didn't give any hits on either parent... Obviously I wasn't going to sign up given that non-result. |
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Originally Posted by BritInParis
(Post 12646029)
Living people are largely protected. You’d need to provide that information yourself.
Nada. |
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My partner and I signed up for both ancestry.com and 23and me early last year. Both results came back similar which was reassuring. She put her results out for all to see as she was adopted at birth and 50 plus years later had no clue as to her blood siblings. Couple of months ago she had a 'hit' from her blood brother. They met in Colorado where he lives recently and both were born in Minnesota. He said he had heard a rumour from a Cousin at his fathers funeral years ago that mother had a child before they married. There's more siblings that have not been told until he goes back north in the summer and mother is still alive! exciting,anxious nervy times for her and I've found a paper trail of my american fathers ancestors back to early 1700s Scotland where I've never visited even though I lived in England for 50 years!
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Originally Posted by BuckinghamshireBoy
(Post 12646035)
Both parents were deceased, I gave dates and places of birth.
Nada. |
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Originally Posted by BritInParis
(Post 12646160)
It would also depend where they were born. Some records are not publicly available.
I'm not that bothered tbh, I've got enough other stuff that needs doing/sorting out these days. Just wondered if anyone had had more success. :huh: |
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Originally Posted by BuckinghamshireBoy
(Post 12646188)
In both cases I got back several pages of scanned (appeared to be typewritten) pages, showing various names, but no relevant hits. I went forwards a few days/weeks to see if these entries were for date of registration rather than date of birth, to no avail.
I'm not that bothered tbh, I've got enough other stuff that needs doing/sorting out these days. Just wondered if anyone had had more success. :huh: |
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Originally Posted by BuckinghamshireBoy
(Post 12646021)
Howdy, did your wife have any success on the family tree research with Ancestry?
From time to time they offer a 'free weekend', so I gave it a try a couple of years ago, it didn't give any hits on either parent... Obviously I wasn't going to sign up given that non-result. My family on my mothers side seem to disappear in the bogs of Ireland about the middle of the 1800s. Which was why I was surprised when my DNA had so little Irish in it. Mothers verbal history had her side of the family just about all coming from County Cork around my great grandparents time. My fathers family come to London at some time via Suffolk and Buckinghamshire and that was supported by the DNA testing which shows most of my DNA associated with South and SE England. Its very interesting as the DNA results can be mapped on a regional basis and I can see which parts of England the family came from. You can choose to make your DNA public or not. You get a list of those who have made it public whose DNA in some way matches yours. Not thinking I can be wanted for anything serious I made mine public, and got a number of matches nothing closer than 4th cousins none of whom I knew of any connection too. |
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Originally Posted by lansbury
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Yes she was able to trace her mothers' family back to England and her fathers' family back to Germany. Both going back to about the 1600s. She got further back than that but wasn't sure of the accuracy of the records and her understanding of them. But she has her family tree printed out back to 1200 and something.
My family on my mothers side seem to disappear in the bogs of Ireland about the middle of the 1800s. Which was why I was surprised when my DNA had so little Irish in it. Mothers verbal history had her side of the family just about all coming from County Cork around my great grandparents time. My fathers family come to London at some time via Suffolk and Buckinghamshire and that was supported by the DNA testing which shows most of my DNA associated with South and SE England. Its very interesting as the DNA results can be mapped on a regional basis and I can see which parts of England the family came from. You can choose to make your DNA public or not. You get a list of those who have made it public whose DNA in some way matches yours. Not thinking I can be wanted for anything serious I made mine public, and got a number of matches nothing closer than 4th cousins none of whom I knew of any connection too. |
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Originally Posted by Sugarmooma
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Suffolk!!!! You're 10% Tractor Boy:lol:
I've seen some other stuff linking Buckinghamshire and Suffolk, with suggestions that it was en route to the West country, wonder why the shift to London? Maybe the sales were on? |
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Originally Posted by Sugarmooma
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Suffolk!!!! You're 10% Tractor Boy:lol:
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Originally Posted by lansbury
(Post 12646295)
Yes she was able to trace her mothers' family back to England and her fathers' family back to Germany. Both going back to about the 1600s. She got further back than that but wasn't sure of the accuracy of the records and her understanding of them. But she has her family tree printed out back to 1200 and something.
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Originally Posted by Gordon Barlow
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In England the earliest Parish Registers are from about 1500, and there are only a few of those. I doubt if Germany would have any earlier than England, unless they were big landowners. The easiest ancestors to trace are those who were either landowners or ag labs. The latter (mine were from Herefordshire) tended to marry within a fairly narrow circle of parishes. I got my lot back to 1683 - which was the earliest date from the local PR.
Very tricky though to ensure you follow the exact true line the further back you go I had one once that was convinced they were related to Cromwell via the Poley family . A handed down myth and rumour . I was happy enough to trace the tree but the thing was that someone had jumped to a conclusion. Yes she was a Poley and yes she was from the relevant small area , however she was not of the landed gentry . It was a village family no more. I've managed some UK trees back to mid 1600's where a family has stayed virtually in situ or had an unusual name or line i.e. the Dutch in Norfolk. I love this stuff. |
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Originally Posted by BEVS
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I had one once that was convinced they were related to Cromwell via the Poley family . A handed down myth and rumour . I was happy enough to trace the tree but the thing was that someone had jumped to a conclusion. Yes she was a Poley and yes she was from the relevant small area , however she was not of the landed gentry . It was a village family no more.
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Originally Posted by Gordon Barlow
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She must have been royalty of some kind to get her tree back to 1200!
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Originally Posted by Gordon Barlow
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A distant cousin of mine had traced his/our ancestry back to a Pole family in Chester, descended from John of Gaunt. My training as a professional auditor led me to check the actual Parish Register, where I found the marriage-entry at the foot of the correct page, but in a different handwriting... I think my Margaret Pole/Poole was from a village family, like Bevs. The same distant cousin left a wonderfully authentic-looking parchment pedigree evidencing the link to John of Gaunt, son of one of the Plantagenet Kings of England - and, even better, to just about every earlier notable king of England, Ireland, and other places in Europe, and eventually to Adam and Eve. Beat that, you peasants! I'm rather surprised - and a wee bit disappointed - that he didn't take it one step further, to God himself. I mean, could there be any doubt?
Also, we are related :scaredhair: although my Poles/Powells are Welsh. Actually, most people are related I think. :lol: |
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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter
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Pole/Powell - ancestors of the House of Tudor.
Also, we are related :scaredhair: although my Poles/Powells are Welsh. Actually, most people are related I think. :lol: |
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Originally Posted by BuckinghamshireBoy
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Just as well your Poles are from Wales and not Scotland, 'cos then they'd be North Poles, and there's only three of those, I believe. :getcoat:
Don't quit your day job :blink: :lol: |
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Originally Posted by lansbury
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That's why we are dubious as to the accuracy of what she found prior to around 1600. It threw up what we think are probably some unlikely links which need more verification. Some of the German stuff is a bit tenuous too, Not sure just how authentic some of the documents are.
The saying is that 'everyone is related to John of Gaunt & Richard III . It is just a matter of the degree " |
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Originally Posted by BEVS
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The saying is that 'everyone is related to John of Gaunt & Richard III . It is just a matter of the degree "
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Originally Posted by Gordon Barlow
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Well yes, Bevs, and to Adam and Eve. But not everybody can prove it by a printed pedigree.
Had an interesting one recently . Person from Norfolk was convinced was descended from the gypsy/traveller community. I didn't find one. I did find though that one line hailed from the Norfolk Strangers/Wallloons. All rather interesting. |
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Bevs. If you've done this kind of thing professionally, you might be kind enough to give your opinion of this story of mine... A legend in my family told that our Irish ancestor (one John Hickey, bog-Irish, from Co Tipperary) killed a policeman and ran off to Australia - in the mid-1800s. I poo-poo'd the story, saying that it would be highly unlikely for a criminal on the run to escape to a British prison-colony. It's quite possible that the Hickeys as a family emigrated to Sydney in support of a family-member who had been convicted and transported for some lesser offence than murder. (Although, how would they have raised the boat-fare?) After a few years in Sydney, the family ended up in Queensland, eighty miles or so from the capital, and generally kept their heads down ever after. One of the teenage girls who emigrated played fast and loose with her age, claiming to be younger than she actually was; it was fairly common to do that, to shave a few years off one's age to muddy the waters.
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Originally Posted by Gordon Barlow
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Bevs. If you've done this kind of thing professionally, you might be kind enough to give your opinion of this story of mine... A legend in my family told that our Irish ancestor (one John Hickey, bog-Irish, from Co Tipperary) killed a policeman and ran off to Australia - in the mid-1800s. I poo-poo'd the story, saying that it would be highly unlikely for a criminal on the run to escape to a British prison-colony. It's quite possible that the Hickeys as a family emigrated to Sydney in support of a family-member who had been convicted and transported for some lesser offence than murder. (Although, how would they have raised the boat-fare?) After a few years in Sydney, the family ended up in Queensland, eighty miles or so from the capital, and generally kept their heads down ever after. One of the teenage girls who emigrated played fast and loose with her age, claiming to be younger than she actually was; it was fairly common to do that, to shave a few years off one's age to muddy the waters.
What do you reckon? It will be a mixture of truth and also chinese whispers. A family of a convict might be offered assisted passage on a Bounty Ship with either the govt or the convict paying some of the cost. Some of the passages might even have been free . Said convict would have served a good part of the sentence and some , as is known, did quite well for themselves so could petition as it were for their families to join then. People & children helped colonial growth. I have some doubts that a convicted murderer would have been able to slip custody or goal to then become a stowaway on a convict ship. Mostly they were sentenced to be hanged. Some may have been transported for manslaughter as that became seen as more humane. If the chap was known to have killed a policeman but remained at large, on the run, there was usually a notice in the newspapers about that. It could be I suppose that he arrived from Ireland to Australia as a part of a greater Hickey family migration . With regard to the Bounty Ships it was not uncommon for some to use false names if the first assisted passage application was refused. He could also have simply been executed. More details gives more clues. Agree. Very common for females to shave years off their ages. It could also be that some may not have actually known how old they were. |
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Originally Posted by BEVS
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A family of a convict might be offered assisted passage on a Bounty Ship with either the govt or the convict paying some of the cost. Some of the passages might even have been free . Said convict would have served a good part of the sentence and some , as is known, did quite well for themselves so could petition as it were for their families to join then. People & children helped colonial growth.
If the chap was known to have killed a policeman but remained at large, on the run, there was usually a notice in the newspapers about that. It could be I suppose that he arrived from Ireland to Australia as a part of a greater Hickey family migration . With regard to the Bounty Ships it was not uncommon for some to use false names if the first assisted passage application was refused. Agree. Very common for females to shave years off their ages. It could also be that some may not have actually known how old they were. Thanks again. |
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Mine has been refined a few times since I first did the test (Ancestry as well, for clarity, and also to rile up the resident tin-hats), but FWIW:
53% Ireland & Scotland 41% England, Wales and NW Europe 6% Norway I also have a 'region' (what they used to call Genetic Community) of Scotland, specified as Central Scotland & Ulster, Ireland. This doesn't really tell me anything I don't know since I already knew both sides of my family were Scottish, but the Norway was a bit of a surprise. I can only assume there was a Viking somewhere in there way back when. |
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Me, born in 1950sEngland with an American US Air Force father who I never met until about 20 years ago. Him and his wife told me his parents were from British one side and western Europe the other. So when my 23andMe DNA results arrived it shows me as 39% British Irish and 40% German French plus 13% NW European!! Surprised it tells me I have more European as my mothers side is generations Suffolk..and i've always been so passionate English when it comes to any sporting events! Ancestry.com did map me back to East Anglia though.
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Originally Posted by BEVS
(Post 12647321)
:nod: Good work. Always double check and check again.
The saying is that 'everyone is related to John of Gaunt & Richard III . It is just a matter of the degree " She has spent hours doing this, leads to some very peaceful evenings on my part. :lol: |
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Originally Posted by lansbury
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She found another member of the family, not someone she knew, who had already researched a lot of the family tree on the English side. She was able to follow that to some degree, but found mistakes in it or at least links she wasn't sure the other person was correct in using. One of our nieces is married to a German guy and his parents are still living in Germany. My wife's German is fairly basic so between the niece and her in-laws she has had good interpretation and help in Germany chasing down and verifying links.
She has spent hours doing this, leads to some very peaceful evenings on my part. :lol: Sensible approach your wife has. Everyone but everyone can follow a red herring and not realise one has lost the way. Sometimes a bit too easy to do. |
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