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Actually us Canadians do care about DACA much like we care about the TPS programmes the US has for a variety of countries. Why do we care well perhaps the 10,000 Haitians who moved north last year or the potential 240,000 others on TPS or the 700,000 plus DACA people who might choose to head north.

Most Canadians would not have a problem with the DACA people as they are US educated, speak English and would be easily able to integrate.
Those from Haiti who have been in the US for maybe 10 yrs and don't speak English not as much. They don't even speak French as spoken up here.
On arrival they would be entitled to a variety of programmes paid for by taxpayers so as you see it does affect us.

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A large number of Haitians settled in Montreal sometime in the 70s after I had left Canada. I lived in a pretty nice area of Montreal, older houses and apartment buildings, quiet tree lined streets with a mixture of Anglo and French speaking residents. I went back to see that neighhbourhood when I visited Canada in 2001. There was graffiti everywhere, the apartment building I lived in had become a slum and that that was the area where the Haitians had settled.

You're welcome to them

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DACA

You were under the age of 31 as of June 15, 2012;
You entered the United States prior to your 16th birthday;
You have resided in the United States since June 15, 2007 and currently are present in the U.S.;
You were in the United States on June 15, 2012 and must be physically in the U.S. at the time of filing for your request for deferred action;
You entered the United States without border inspection before June 15, 2012, or your immigration status expired prior to June 15, 2012;
You must be currently in school, have graduated, or obtained an equivalent certificate of completion from high school, successfully obtained a general education development (GED) certificate, or must have been honorably discharged from the Armed Forces of the United States; and
You must not have been convicted of a felony, significant misdemeanor, three or more other misdemeanors, and must not pose a threat to national security or public safety.

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Christ, if that's your only takeaway from everything that happened in Montreal after the 70s (between the end of the FLQ and the sovereignty referendums, let's say, including the flight of corporate Canada to Ontario and the economic depression that caused) then you can take your bigotry and stick it up your ass.

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I apologise if I appear obtuse to you. Perhaps you can help me out. Would you mind explaining how a resolution of DACA would affect you, as a US citizen?

What difference would it make to your daily life to have a few thousand people no longer have to fear deportation to a country where they may well no longer have any cultural or family ties? I hope that doesn't come across as a combative question. I'm genuinely bemused and curious.

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It's really sad to see people following Trump like a bunch of genetically triggered lemmings. Haitians were barely on the radar of most Americans and now they've become the favorite new punch-bag of bigots.

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Not even the French speak French as it is spoken in Quebec.

Yes, I am fully aware of the programs available to them if they come to Canada which is one of the things that has my Canadian husband turning red with anger.

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Why? Is he a bigot? If he has taken US citizenship and lives in the US, what earthly difference does it make to him what the Canadian government chooses to spend some of its taxpayers' money on?

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I'm pleased that my post has amused you.

I, and many others, don't want them to live in fear of deportation and are glad that they wouldn't have to live with that thought in the forefront of their minds and lives. While I fully agree that these young people know only the US as a home country and for the vast majority, they speak English and are educated and some very well educated, if they are given legal permanent residency (without limitation), in 5 years time they can naturalize to US citizens.

It is the repercussions of what can transpire after they naturalize. They are then able to petition for their immediate relatives who have entered the US after inspection but here on overstay for their own legal permanent residency. No, you cannot petition for your parents if they were not inspected at the border.

I can hear others say so what is the big deal? Remember I am not talking about children born in the US but their parents. They have lived here in the US for 20, 30, 40 years why not allow them to become LPRs.

Why should they become LPRs? They broke the law. They entered with inspection but remained for the rest of their lives. And please, enough with the they worked here, contributed to the economy and paid taxes. Yes, they worked here. Some on the books with phony social security cards and paid taxes and others worked for years with an ITIN and paid taxes. And those that didn't have SS cards or an ITIN lived 'hidden' lives but still they remained in the US, had families and now they are awarded for their unlawful actions by the US government by become LPRs and eventually US citizens.

To many, including myself, it is nothing short of amnesty. And I am not in favor of amnesty. What is the point of having immigration laws if you are eventually going to be giving illegal immigrants amnesty. Why should anyone come to the US to reside under lawful procedures when you can enter and never leave and be given a pardon for your criminal behavior? And with that pardon within ten years you can petition for even more of your countrymen to come and reside in the US. Another perk of amnesty.

I can see both sides of the coin and rarely offer my political viewpoint because I don't want to be embroiled in the hateful discussions that occur when someone disagrees with the majority on these forums. But there it is. This is my viewpoint.

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Because he still pays taxes in Canada. So it is his money being spent as well. And yet, while he pays taxes, he is not allowed to vote in Canada. Unlike the US and the UK who citizens can still vote in their countries elections, Canadian who live abroad cannot. Nice Canada.

No, he is not a bigot.

Now you have displayed the attitude with that post why I have chosen for 20 years not to participate in political posts.

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You know, I could be persuaded to listen to the argument about a more restricted family-based immigration (I'm not going to accept the misused form of the term "chain migration"), I might even listen to arguments against the diversity lottery.

But, I don't want to hear any of it until somebody honestly addresses the Americans that employ illegal immigrants with no consequences. We wouldn't have these DACA kids if their moms and dads hadn't been enticed to enter the US with promises of jobs.

Until we punish, shame and terrorize the American criminals with the same veracity --- I call bullshit on the hypocrisy of this whole theatrical mess.

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Bemuse [verb, transitive]: puzzle, confuse, bewilder
Amuse [verb, transitive]: cause to find funny; entertain

I don't think your answer to your own rhetorical question is anywhere near well enough argued. I disagree wholeheartedly and absolutely with your position, in almost every point.

The only hateful thing I see here is your attitude to those less fortunate than yourself. That is, as you say, your viewpoint; I'm glad it's not mine.

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Yeah, to be a bigot he'd have to say something really bigoted, like how he thinks he saw people of a certain nation do something bad and then suggest that most people from that nation are like that.

Re: DACA etc.
 

DACA is merely delayed action; it does not provide a route to permanent residency. And even if this were legislated on, it would be perfectly possible to "normalize" their status without their obtaining the right to sponsor family members in the way "normal" permanent residents can.

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Agree completely - it is employers who employ undocumented workers that should have people's ire directed at them. The boyfriend of a friend is undocumented and his employer treats him like shit because they know he can't complain. "Interestingly", Trump is pretty much silent on the employer side of things.